-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/17/2011 11:14 AM, Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 04:33:58PM +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
* Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@suse.de> [2011-06-16 16:20]:
and with Debian and Ubuntu two major distros have already opted out of that.
'That' means systemd? Debian is very active in systemd development, and Ubuntu hasn't decided anything, besides the fact that the original author from Canonical has left, and is no longer developing Upstart.
AFAIK Debian plans to offer it as an option but as default due to systemd being Linux-only,
Debian offers _everything_ as an option, so that's not an issue here.
from a quick glance at the upstart repo it seems that upstart is actively maintained.
It has minor bug fixes but no new development. It is essentially end-of-life.
So the major distributions participating in this "standardiaztion" seem to be Fedora, oS, and possibly Mageia/Mandriva.
You forgot about Gentoo and Arch and a raft of other minor distros that have all contributed to systemd development and integrated it into their systems already.
So please, this isn't an issue at all, the entire rest of the Linux community is moving to systemd, as a chance to standardize a lot of the cross-distro differences, we can not, and should not, ignore that at all.
My big concern with all of the systemd discussion is how much flexibility that we (and UNIX generally) have classically had and are losing with systemd. It's like the Apple/GNOME-ification of the boot process and that's not necessarily a good thing. How many feature requests have we seen to take functionality away? Many of the things that are just being handwaved away as "no longer necessary" use the extremely simplistic environment of a smartphone or tablet as an example. Real world deployments of a full-fledged Linux distribution tend to be a bit more complex. Then we're met with the "want X functionality? Put it in the initramfs." at the same time that there are *other* people actively trying to *eliminate* the initramfs. I'm not sold on the systemd community speaking for all of Linux-dom. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SUSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk37h58ACgkQLPWxlyuTD7KLVACgm3Bdsw7g8NU6Xy31nQ0wU1tI cR0An3xo1EZfUS7N1YWluOxg5e8YRwuV =/bf6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org