Okay all, I think this thread has run its course If there are any productive, practical, efforts underway, I suggest starting a new thread to discuss implementation details But the discussion regarding the pros/cons of systemd, it's history, its adoption, who said what and whether they are right, provide no further benefit to anyone and can all be stopped now. Regards, Richard Brown openSUSE Chairman On 12 August 2014 11:29, Guido Berhoerster <gber@opensuse.org> wrote:
* Todd Rme <toddrme2178@gmail.com> [2014-08-12 11:03]:
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:58 PM, David Haller <dnh@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2014, Pascal Bleser wrote:
I think that the pretty emotional component of the reactions and statements on the topic does reinforce the idea that it is mostly about that psychological aspect.
If you step back and look at the big picture, the whole process of how systemd crept up as a "just a new init" up to what it's now (and what it may gobble up next), you may reevaluate those reactions ...
You, and other members of the anti-systemd crowd, make it sound like systemd developers held a gun to the heads of developers and forced them to join the systemd project, forced them to adopt sytemd in their distro, forced them to adopt systemd in the desktop environments.
Yes, that pretty much summarizes it. Since the systemd authors are closely aligned with the u* and *kit folks, basic functions of desktop environments are now totally broken (session tracking which is the basis managing authorization of hotplugging, auto-mounting, system-shutdown etc., system shutdown, suspend, hibernation and inhibition of systemd handling of power buttons and so on and so forth) unless they change the code and add systemd support and workarounds. So yes, DE authors face the choice of having their DE unusable on systemd distros or adopt its usage (unless they are able to compete with the raw engineering power of RedHat and create an alternative middle stack for Linux).
Projects voluntarily chose to join systemd because they thought it would benefit their project. Distros voluntarily chose to adopt systemd because they thought it made handling init easier compared to the alternatives. Desktop environments chose to adopt systemd because it provides features they think are useful that aren't available anywhere else.
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