Note that I only wrote the bottom part of the page, everything else is relating Rodrigo's experience, I believe.
Also, I updated a bit the wiki page to clarify things that were unclear (I wrote the page in a rush, while waiting for some compilation to finish). So some of the things you quoted have changed a bit ;-)
Hehe, OK. Sorry for not having asked what was your part.
Having one full-featured DVD is great in some ways, I agree. But we also already provide GNOME/KDE CD. We can improve things for them.
I agree.
Well, the new version of the installer doesn't take much longer than Ubuntu. And again, it's a good step in the right direction. But we can still improve :-) I'll file bugs/mail the yast list about this once I'll be done with a new installation.
Can you link them here? :-)
Agree. But if we make it use sudo, it's a bit better :-)
Yes. Just expect a sort of revolution by old time users (not me) :-)
Hrm, if there's only one OS (in our case, openSUSE), the only other choice is failsafe. 10 seconds is really long for this...
The a11y argument is good. I didn't think of it.
We might ask suseRocks on IRC about this.
Ubuntu uses brown as the color for the root window when starting GDM (it's a gdm config option, I believe). It helps with the transition from the brown gdm theme to the brown default background on the user desktop. In openSUSE, we still use the greyish blue. It should be some green.
Hehe I love green, so I agree. But green is not much appreciated by various users, who switched back to blue or personalised backgrounds.
I suggested green because the default gdm theme is green :-)
Yes. I meant it's not easy to do that in general. But for the default, I agree.
Well, it's not about the applications, really. It's just the way the menu is organized. I need to look at which .menu file is used to understand why it's done this way.
Ah ok. I misunderstood.
(I'm not using gnome-main-menu so I can't comment)
Hehe. Good for you :-)
The policy you're talking about is about the stable openSUSE. Using factory, I have a more than one-year old yelp, for example.
Ah ok. That's something I didn't know.
Actually, Ubuntu puts this in some multiverse repository which is about non-free/non-legal-in-some-countries packages. That's a bit like non-OSS, I guess. But the result still feels integrated, as if there were only one repository.
Yes. I think this is a question of optimizing mainly the interface of the package manager (see other thread :))
I couldn't find all gstreamer plugins for factory... So no multimedia experience for me.
This depends on the fact that those plugins can't be hosted in -factory for the same legal reasons they're not provided with the distribution. Moreover they're packaged by non-Novell related guys.
Yes, I understand the problem. That's still an issue for users, so we should try to provide something. It doesn't need to be hosted by Novell.
Yes. The solution for now was 1-click. But I agree, it's not something you easily find.
there are tons of installed packages by default that don't make any sense. Some graphical ones (gftp? skencil?), some non-graphical (tcsh, ksh, zsh: do we really need all shells by default?)
Well, except gftp (the only decent FTP client for GNOME), the rest should be removed. It's ages we get the complaint of suse having this issue.
I'd be interested to know why nautilus doesn't work fine as a ftp client. That's a discussion for opensuse-gnome, though.
Yeah. Feel free to open that discussion. Nautilus is always slow when it does network operations on suse. That's a general issue (samba, ftp, ssh). If you need help testing things, just poke me in IRC (albertop).
The packages I put on the wiki are just examples, and I'd sure that checking the whole list of installed packages can give you others.
Oh I know. I tried to suggest myself at the beginning of my experience in the opensuse community...without results. :)
Keeping the firewall with an easier configuration would be a cool solution, yes.
I fully agree. You find a widely open door on my side. It's another issue for which I tried to push a bit, without results.
Keep in mind that I'm really talking about the average desktop users. Such a user won't know what apparmor is and exposing too many things he doesn't know will kill his user experience. He won't ignore it. He will look at it, wonder what this is about, think he's doing something wrong, etc. If we want to expose the apparmor features, it should be done in some places where it makes sense, not in the first place where user look.
I think a huge terrifying warning should be enough :) Regards, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org