On 04/08/2014 04:04 AM, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Robert Schweikert wrote:
On 04/07/2014 05:40 AM, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Robert Schweikert wrote:
On 03/26/2014 06:55 AM, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
after initial discussion on the -packaging list (see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-packaging/2014-02/msg00136.html) and incorporating some of the feedback we would like to introduce the attached openSUSE Enhancement Proposal about creating a safe namspace of system user and group names. Further comments and reviews would be appreciated.
Full text of the OSEP (currently maintained at https://github.com/lnussel/osep_opensuse_usernames/blob/master/opensuse_user...):
This is a cross distribution problem and I do not think we should just go it alone without at least speaking with other distros. Has anyone contacted Fedora and or Debian to see if we can find a common solution?
Does anyone have contacts to those distros?
Yes, within the LSB working group we have people that have contacts to Debian and Fedora.
Could you raise their attention somehow?
Working on that while at the same time trying to test out a "new LSB" process. Reached the "Proposed Solution" stage. https://github.com/LinuxStandardBase/lsb/pull/6 If anyone has anything to add to the proposed solution please feel free to do so. The idea is to, after review by others in the LSB work group, solicit feedback from distributions in the hopes of reaching agreement on a solution.
Independent of that, what is the procedure when someone comes up with a change proposal? Do we vote on it? How?
Good question.
We have nothing in place to deal with this, as such the OSEP, in a way put the cart before the horse ;)
The problem is independent of OSEP. Using OSEP for this just helped to get some structure into the request. The issue is that we don't have anyone who can decide auch things.
Well, I think decision by consensus works.
From my perspective it should be a consensus based decision. At this point, if I recall correctly we had just as many people opposed as in favor. So we could say this is where ideas go to die. But again I think trying to find a cross distro solution might help convince those that are currently opposed.
If the goal is to always reach 100% consensus
No, and I didn't set that as goal.
then no change will ever happen.
I agree 100% consensus is not attainable. My thoughts are along the lines that in any such discussion the majority of people (maintainers) will not voice their opinion. This should be interpreted as, they don't care about this particular topic, from my point of view. Those that make an effort to respond, care, and it should be possible to find majority consensus among those. For this specific issue I don't think we have reached majority consensus yet.
From my PoV I could go ahead and implement the proposed policy just because I have power over rpmlint.
Yes you could, I am happy that you are not just implementing it but considering feedback from others. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead Public Cloud Architect rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org