On 31 May 2006 at 15:49, houghi wrote:
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:01:40AM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
Is it really asked too much for a user to know how to install software?:
Apparently. Even installing software that is on CD 1 can be a chalange. At this moment the Linux users are changing as a type. From the 'geek' it slowly moves towards the 'intensive computer user' and will slide to 'Joe Twelvepack'
I'm afraid that too much effort is put into making the last two categories of users happy, while in fact those are exactly the kind of users who won't be happy with Linux. They want the possibility to ruin their installation easily, and then they'll abandon Linux, because it's ruined. Or put simpler: Any cheap piece of hardware that doesn't work with Linux is a reason for not using Linux. I'd very much appreciate efforts to make the first type of users happy.
Is it really necessary to have a "KDE-1-click-software installation"?
If it is possible, it would be nice as many users expect it.
Those with no ideas how things work frequently have odd expectations.
Is it necessary to install software from any file browser?
I see not why this should not be possible. I can imagine that users prefer using Firefox, because they already know that from their previous OS.
Yes, plus add some JavaScript where a "mouse over" is enoughto install some software. I'd very much prefer ONE method that works over having the coice of a dozen methods with each having some defects. But I can be convinced: Just add a package manager to Emacs. ;-)
I remember the times when software updates had to be installed in single-user mode (not with SuSE Linux, of course)... Not that I want it back, but some thinking before installing software is still required.
Yes. The issue is that people have learned to look for programs to be installed over Internet and that they MUST have the latest version of whatever is out there.
What happens is that people look for software, see a nice screenshot and want to install it and have no clue what to do with `prog_beta_0.01.tar.gz` because first they do not read and second they do not read.
Those user would be better off not installing it. Actually the situation with Windows is that too many crappy installation failing to uninstall (or even install) properly will ruin the system. Then you'll have to reinstall the OS. The question still is: Are you doing any good to those users by making it so simple to ruin theit installation?
My 12 step program is as follows (step 0 only needs to be done once so does not realy count): 0) Add repositories 1) look in YaST for the program 2) Look for an alternative program that is in YaST 3) Look up the site and READ it 4) Look on the site for a SUSE rpm 5) Try another RPM that is there 6) Look in an rpm search engine for a SUSE rpm 7) Try another RPM that is there 8) Look on google for an RPM (long shot) 9) Look for an alternative that has SUSE RPMs 10) re-read the site 11) compile the program yourself and make your own RPM (checkinstall) 12) Don't forget to have fun
What happens is that people start at step 12 and then don't know what to do. For me it is very rare that I need to go till step 10.
Actually, if the bundled Linux brings no fun, nobody will care to add more packages to have any fun. Just Imagine iPods havin no firmware or software. Fun must start 10 seconds after power on. Regards, Ulrich --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org