On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 6:32 PM, Martin Schlander <suse@linuxin.dk> wrote: Den Tuesday 18 September 2007 16:27:22 skrev Gregg Nicholas: I reopened [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes.
I have to agree with Andreas Vetter. Firefox/java/flash should simply work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even x86_64). In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other distributions.
As it can be seen from my bugreports that avetter reopened I share the opinion that 32-bit Firefox should be shipped. Especially since software.opensuse.org
has no "warning" about downloading the x86_64 version.
However I don't think the decision has anything to do with ideology. When people install x86_64 they don't want 32-bit Firefox - they want to run full 64-bit so they can enjoy all the imaginatory performance improvements. Now we
even have 64-bit OOo..
Flash works with nspluginwrapper with 64-bit Firefox - I don't know how many people actually come across java webapplets - personally I only need it for homebanking - but that of course is enough to make me install 32-bit Firefox - which I tested and "downgrading" ran without incident, except for me having to remove classpath-webplugin - and that issue will be fixed.
I agree completely: flash works flawless with the nspluginwrapper and Java is one of the things I never need on a website (even my bank webinterfaces don't use it anymore).
I agree, it's not very much used on newer webpages, but a lot of older stuff is in Java. Especially a lot of physics related material for our students is Java. Additionally a lot of web interfaces for hardware use Java (tape libraries, storage systems, uninteruptible power supplies, ...).
Also think about other impacts having a 32bit firefox imposes: I'm maintaining packages of a not to be called by name Video Client, and we offer a plugin for Firefox. Of course, when installing 64bit Video Client, the 64bit plugin get's installed. Having a 32bit version of Firefox forces the user also to 'downgrade' a lot of other applications.
Yes that's true, that's the reason I didn't use this plugin in older suse distros.
I think such cases have to be clear for everybody: if you need Java and you really can't live without it, go for 32bit. Yast/whatever tool and the Documentation should offer an easy way for this. And then it should clearly be noted that many other things might get broken. For those users, a pure 32bit system might be better suitable then (or maybe a VM)
-- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org