Hi Berny, Am 21.02.25 um 21:13 schrieb Bernhard Völker:
What I didn't get so far, or I must have missed that: if the suggestion is to remove the support from SLES16/Leap16 to save much effort, then I'm wondering how that effort is saved exactly ... considering that the same support shall be kept in Tumbleweed? And further: what packages are we talking about exactly? ... because some packages like some from Base:System are also sync'ed with SLE from time to time?
I don't think it is the issue of having to maintain (and provide support for!) another boot loader flavor also for SLES, I guess it is more something in the line of "we have some cool new features we'd like to introduce, but it is a lot of work to make them work across all boot loaders, so we want to strip down the list of boot loaders" IIUC, e.g. blscfg on x86 is only possible with UEFI (it works on powerpc without it in rhel-9, but nobody but IBM wants powerpc anyway). blscfg makes configuring boot loader much easier (that's how I understand it), easier in a "you don't need any grub.cfg at all to boot" way which is appealing from a systems management tool developer's (and product manager's, who has to consider the matrix of options that needs to be supported later) point of view. I guess that in the end there will be some middle way of "the old bootloaders are still available, but you will not get anything of the fancy new features if you want to use them". And that's totally fine with me. As long as syslinux is still available and the kernel installation still creates a /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd, we can always boot using extlinux from an ext3 partition or similar. Right now I'm actually guessing that even grub2-<non-efi> will be available, as the maintenance of the package is unlikely to be the biggest problem, but maybe not supported. Hell, even if the installer then only supports UEFI hardware, we could still create a pretty minimal self-deploying iso image with kiwi which installs a minimal installation onto a selected disc including some non-uefi boot loader and then you install the rest of the full system from there. That would actually be a very nice, (and pretty trivial) small contribution where the openSUSE community could shine ;-)
How about other virtualization than the already mentioned qemu like Virtualbox, or some VMware ESX versions?
They all boot UEFI VMs just fine (I don't know if you can even install windows11 without EFI secureboot, so they certainly need to support that). Have fun, seife -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman