On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@inai.de> wrote:
On Tuesday 2012-09-04 14:12, 686f6c6d wrote:
+1 The claims to systemd being horribly broken all seem a bit FUDy to me. I can quite understand them, as it *was* horribly broken when 12.1
I was one of the (probably) few that had systemd (v17 I think) running on the day of the 11.4 release party. Was it broken? Not really, it just was in a state you would expect from being fresh outta factory without much exposure to the big public.
We might have different definitions then. Sure "horribly broken" might have been a bit harsh, but I've suffered for about nine months, trying to make autoyast and systemd play together. The ultimate issue in my case was one of outdated hardware requirements documentation, but in the course of it, I encountered at least three different problems with systemd: - systemd did not work with autoyast (needed a workaround for the install to succeed, bug was already reported). - systemd sometimes^tm brought eth0 up and down in an endless loop (bug was already reported but unfixed for a few weeks). - systemd, when using autoyast, failed (and still does in 12.2) to report the correct state of some services (ntp, for example; Uwe Gansert reported the bug happening for apache, I believe, after hunting it down). This and the fact that the sheer number of reported systemd bugs made it very hard and time-consuming to find out if a bug was already reported (and of course my little prior experience with systemd) made for a lot of headaches and seemingly wasted hours (and the money of my employer), so I stand by my arrogant opinion that systemd, when 12.1 was released, was, from a dumb users/admins point of view, broken and not tested well enough for a public release. (To a developer with all the knowledge to fix these problems with the snap of a finger that might feel different, but I just felt basically helpless. Not every user is a developer.) But, as I also said, I don't mean to badmouth openSUSE and I can understand you didn't like my choice of words. Over the course of the last months many of the bugs were fixed and (except the one issue mentioned above I already had experience with) I experienced no problems (yet?) with 12.2. -- Kind regards 686f6c6d / Christopher 'm4z' Holm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org