Le lundi 23 février 2009, à 20:43 -0600, Alberto Passalacqua a écrit :
Please. I won't say there's no bug in PA but your statement is, hrm, not completely true. How can you say "there are at least 36 bugs that are quite annoying" when 12 bugs in this list are NEEDINFO and when some bugs are not related to pulseaudio or are not annoying (because your query is just about bugs mentioning PA somewhere).
Now, this discussion started as a constructive proposal to disable a feature that, like it or not, is causing more problems than benefits. If you want proofs, you simply need some research on Google to find out what is the size of the problem.
I don't need any proof about problems related to PA -- it has been (and is still being) extensively commented upstream but... [...]
At this point, if we want to weight every single word of each statement, we can do it and write a never ending thread, as it often happens here.
... I was just pointing out that your statement was making things look worse than they are (at least, bugzilla-wise). And it seems pretty relevant if you want people to have an informed discussion on all this. I personally don't care much about PA (in the same way as I don't care much about the kernel). I do think it's the right solution in the long-term, though (but as I already said, there are currently some quite important bugs there). Anyway, trying to be a bit more constructive. To be able to really disable PA, say, two months before the release, we need: + a way to monitor the issues with PA. A bugzilla query looks like the obvious candidate. => note that we can cooperate with PA upstream there by making those issues known upstream. + determine some criteria which would help decide if it should be disabled by default. (eg: "I can't listen to my music with amarok/banshee/rhythmbox") + list all the packages that hard-depends on PA and see how hard/easy it would be to make them work without PA. + have patches ready for those, and see if upstream would accept them. => at the moment, it looks like GNOME upstream wouldn't accept such patches, fwiw. + people testing the distribution without PA to make sure everything is fine. => but then, we have less people testing the distribution with PA, which is also bad... This is quite some work that people should feel free to do. I'm unsure it's worth it, but my opinion shouldn't stop anybody to work on that. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org