On Tue, 2022-12-06 at 10:17 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 12/6/22 09:38, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
How much worth do you see for a commercial entity to sponsor workforce on something that has little to no benefit to them in the end? If they still have to do all the work a 2nd time for the commercial products, because whatever is being tested/used outside is not representative?
I would argue that a lot of the porter work is done outside openSUSE, so we usually will have to report bugs upstream only and update packages accordingly.
It's not like x86_64-v1 is as unmaintained as ia64 is ;-).
Adrian
Yeah..and? You seem to be agreeing with each other here. Dominique is pointing out that the non-port, mainline, of Tumbleweed/Factory will be continuing on its merry way aligned with the needs of openSUSE's main sponsor. The sponsor, who I add, provides all of our build hardware, all of our test hardware, and all of our release management manpower for Factory mainline. In addition, that sponsor is willing/not opposed to allowing reuse of that build and test hardware in the persuit of a port that takes care of the LegacyX86 systems that will no longer be served by mainline Factory. That is generous, I wouldn't have been surprised if such an opportunity was not available. Even more so, that sponsor is even willing/not opposed to some of that release management manpower being spent *enabling* the creation of that port. That is also generous - You don't think Dominique started this thread out of the kindness of his heart, do you? But, a line has to be drawn somewhere, and the long term, ongoing, release management/wrangling of the LegacyX86 port will, just like all of our other ports, need volunteers to do it. And I think that's perfectly reasonable. SUSE can't be expected to maintain things that are irrelevant for their business, and Legacy X86 architectures that SUSE has no intention of ever producing new commercial software for is certainly irrelevant to their business. So..if people care, people need to step up and do the work. It's Open Source, It's Free Software, and _THIS_ is what community is about..stepping up to do the work when it needs to be done..not making demands that other people should do work for you, for free. Regards, Rcihard