On 2022-06-29 02:25, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 6/28/22 15:01, Richard Brown wrote:
Proving you wrong is somewhat easy
We’ve been here before
The openSUSE regular release died due to lack of contributions
While the numbers of USERS of Leap are very good, the number of CONTRIBUTORS to Leap have not
And that is how we ended up in the spot - if Leap had the contributors to do what you want, we’d have done it during Leap 42 and earlier 15 releases
Leap was initially intended as a codebase which could be shaped by contribution
That seems a bit misleading. After being with SuSE then openSUSE since 7.0 pro, I don't recall and major announcement of this type or any push or request that more contributors were needed, much less what type contribution was being elicited.
There were multiple announcements stating that regular releases were being delayed and a new release model had to be found Eg. https://www.zdnet.com/article/opensuse-12-2-delayed-again-project-looks-to-r... This effort to reorganise was a multi-year affair which included in person workshops trying to find a route through the problems. I was at one such workshop in my time before joining SUSE as an employee. Later, when I joined SUSE and soon afterwards became Chairman, I was informed that release team had no intention of producing any regular release after 13.2 ie. The openSUSE regular release was dead At the same time, SUSE was trying to come up with ways of encouraging more people to use the SLE codebase. Others, along with myself, effectively co-opted that effort and helped steered it in the direction you now know as Leap I was the one who announced Leap at oSC https://youtu.be/BH99TSrfvq0 I admit, I did not spell out the fact that if the community didn’t accept this idea there would be no other regular releases from openSUSE I made that decision in the hope to avoid a panic But as we’re talking about these things many years later.. yes, openSUSE had problems producing regular releases for years due to lack of contributions. Yes these problems were known, publicly announced, and efforts made to rectify them over years. These efforts failed, and the patience of the remaining regular release builders ran out after 13.2 Leap was thrown in to plug the gap for our users who had not followed our (many and still growing) contributor base to Tumbleweed. Leap was initially designed to be very open to contributions that would diverge from SLE. Few of these contributions came, so Closing the Leap Gap was the result, and Leap is now less open to such contributions. I sympathise for Axels plight but the time for this discussion and effort to address it was back in 2015. I really think Leap (like any conventional regular release) is a lost cause now in 2022.