On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 16:38 +0200, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 16:02 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Friday 2020-06-26 15:23, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
Of course we have no guarantee that if you were not finding the bugs, if they'd be fixed in the final release :)
Since it's all about perception, not finding bugs is considered the quality standard... of our time.
Indeed perception is important too: while I wouldn't go so far as to say it is all about perception, it may be difficult to convince regular users to use TW as their stable, working systems if it comes with beta- quality packages.
Sure - yet we can't really do a 'policy' of not having beta. There are packages in the distro that have been there for years - and are still called beta. Simply because some upstreams don't want to 'commit' calling it final. Just a very quick / dirty way:
zypper se -s | grep beta.*src-oss | emil | srcpackage | 2.1.0beta9-968.24 | noarch | src-oss | google-carlito-fonts | srcpackage | 1.1.03.beta1-3.14 | noarch | src-oss | hddtemp | srcpackage | 0.3_beta15_e16aed6-5.4 | noarch | src-oss | impressive | srcpackage | 0.13.0~beta1-1.1 | noarch | src-oss | libcaca | srcpackage | 0.99.beta19.git20171003-5.3 | noarch | src-oss | nodejs-packaging | srcpackage | 10.beta11-2.9 | noarch | src-oss | perl-Audio-RPLD | srcpackage | 0.007_0.1beta6-1.9 | noarch | src-oss | plexus-i18n | srcpackage | 1.0~beta10-1.5 | noarch | src-oss | premake4 | srcpackage | 4.4beta4-6.11 | noarch | src-oss | tibetan-machine-uni-fonts | srcpackage | 1.901-3.14 | noarch | src-oss | when-command | srcpackage | 0.9.12~beta5-1.6 | noarch | src-oss
And that's just the ones where beta rightfully figures in the version name. There are others that just call it 3.9x when they mean it shall be 4.0 someday (e.g. gtk4 - granted, there are intentionally no consumers to it yet; but just to show) So, in the end, we'll remain with the package maintainer's responsibility to decide when he considers a package 'stable for use'. There are cases whre it's mis-judged, there are cases where the maintainer was too pessimistic and there are cases where we got it right. Remember all the people that say you can't run a .0 version of anything? Cheers, Dominique