On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 10:35 +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:11:50PM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 18:54 +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
This is a bug of systemd and a violation of the FSH standard. For server systems a nogo.
Yeah, it's a violation of the rules of the stone age. Many of them just don't make sense anymore. We need to pick the nice parts of UNIX, and leave the silly things behind us to be able to survive. And the split of / and /usr very high on the list of things we like to get rid of.
There is more than / and /usr, also /tmp, /var, and /boot is IMHO a very important point. Why do you think, most seasoned system adminstrators will mostly use different partitions for / and /usr, /tmp, and /var. Particular /tmp and /var will be separate partitions.
Sure they will. What are you talking about?
Anyway, FHS documents current behavior, it can not be violated. If the current behavior changes, FHS needs to change, and people actually working on that.
FHS is very useful to argument against something, we all use it that way from time to time, and if it is in our way we just ignore it, just like we did with /run. It's very convenient, everybody wins. :)
OK let's disregard the most important clientele by ignoring the most useful experience by declaring those experience as stone aged.
Yes. The split of / and /usr makes no sense anymore. And the 1000th time for you: It has nothing to do with systemd!
My hope was to have with systemd a real replacment for SysV able to serve all needs for all customer out there, that is not only openSUSE users on netbook and other mobile devices but also needs of our business customer on their big irons.
As said earlier. Most of the requests actually come from enterprise customers. And again: / vs. /usr is not about systemd. Enterprise customers want to share the _entire_ system across 1000 of guests, which means they share /usr read-only, mount a host specific /etc and /var a tmpfs /tmp, and are done with it. And nobody want or need needs to manage all the randomly defined and split-off directories in the the rootfs. And unlike the random split of tools across many duplicated directories, that exact same model makes sense on a phone, on a netbook, a workstation and on a big server. We are aiming for a default read-only /usr on every box. That stuff shows up now it's just because services have more dependencies today and more and more stuff fails when the system is tried to be brought up with only half of the tools available. Splitting / and /usr is broken for a very long time before systemd, and nothing will change that fact that you try to blame systemd for it or insult its developers. I'm out of that "dicussion" now. Kay -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org