On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 22:01 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Actually, that is not my point. I don't really care if syslog is removed from the default pattern(s), although it does mean a little more work for me. However, I want to know _why_ it should be removed, in particular how the removal would benefit the majority of our users.
To those who have never worked in a commercial setting, this is what is usually known as the business case. So far, I haven't seen anything remotely resembling a business case.
Business Case? Serious? What 'business case' is there for an average end-user to have this piece of software on his system? How much money can can average user make out of having syslog on his disk? Or how much loss for not having it? Serious now, Per, you know better than that. for the 'general usecase of a home machine' it does not matter much which logging infrastructure is being used (if any at all). Most users I dealt with so far anyway needed instruction which log file to look at.. and "grep xxx /var/log/messages" ? yes, right.. every end user knows what to grep for. I myself care very few for 'which program keeps the log for me': I'm generally happy for not having to mess around in the log files... as even though I run Factory, most of the time my machine works (ok, I am not foolish enough to accept zypper to change arch of most of my packages due to a conflict...). If it does not work, how much difference is there in using one tool over another one? (Mind: THIS targets standalone machines! In no way would I want to speak badly about syslog-ng, which is a great logging daemon; so the availability of it in the repos is a given; addition to a 'server' pattern could be easily achieved.) Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org