On Mon, Sep 04, 2023 at 11:34:43AM +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2023-09-04 10:37, Michal Suchánek wrote:
On Mon, Sep 04, 2023 at 10:13:43AM +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2023-09-04 10:04, Michal Suchánek wrote:
I thought I said this clearly enough, but I'll say it very bluntly
If we do for 15.7, we won't be able to rely on the SUSE-paid employees who work on Leap to help with the Leap replacement, because they'll be busy with 15.7
And how does that change between 15.6 and 15.7?
Won't people be busy with 15.6 at 15.6 time as much as they would be busy with 15.7 at 15.7 time?
The difference is only on the ALP side - at 15.7 time it will be much more mature base to build on.
Leap 15.6 is being bootstrapped right now (https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/openSUSE:Leap:15.6)
It will be completed and off the desk of the majority of the SUSE-paid Leap folk in time for them to get something like Slowroll in place and well established by the end of Leap 15.6's end of life
And how it differs if we decide to make it after 15.7 release instead?
If we do a 15.7, they'll be spending their time on that instead.
Until 15.7 is done, and then have time to work on replacement then, same. Except with extra time to look at ALP and how it works during the 15.6 maintenance.
Meanwhile ALP will not magically become a 'more mature base to build on'
openSUSE Leap is a very Desktop-centric distribution.
None of SUSE's planned ALP products have any intention of being a Desktop-centric offering.
However, the ALP base is not ready now, and it will be very fresh and rough around the edges if done at all at the time 15.6 is released.
If openSUSE doesn't start the work now, then ALP will never be ready for the Desktop use cases we currently enjoy with Leap. (the Server use cases should be well served by the 1:1 copies of SUSE's ALP products we'll be doing)
If we choose to kick the can down the road, all we end up with is the same mountain to climb and more tired legs for spending another year building Leap.
There have been like 10 Leap releases, and with the next people will suddenly become tired out significantly more than before? It looks to me like you are going for false dichotomy here. Sure, building a Leap replacement is non-trivial undertaking whether it's done at Leap 15.6 time or Leap 15.7 time. I don'tr really see how making 15.7 puts us in worse position for making the replacement, though. Thanks Michal