Am Donnerstag, 27. September 2012, 01:21:07 schrieb Bruce Ferrell:
If I'm installing to a server, to a desktop or a laptop, I'm testing. If I'm using it as a personal tool and it doesn't work, I'm testing and if I report there are problems and I get snarky/bad/useless responses to those reports I'm less likely to "promote" the use of openSUSE. Check the archives... There are plenty of reports and plenty of just plain nasty responses.
Most issues I encounter are actually upstream issues and not openSUSE- specific. In an ideal world openSUSE had the resources to gather all those reports and file them upstream or even fix them themselves. However this is not the case. If you are referring to systemd, I would not use it as an example for the general way things are handled at openSUSE. systemd polarises and always triggers a lot of aggressive "no change!" reactions and then the unfortunate "you reap what you sow" follows by systemd devs.
Were I the only one getting those responses, I'd take it personally, but truth be known, there's enough traffic reporting problems being met with "bad" answers that it points not to a code problem but an attitude problem... And those I haven't a clue of how to fix. All I do know is there used to be a time when using a Linux distro meant we were part of something that was about offering choices, not cramming someones idea of the "right" way to do things down peoples throat. My opinion, systemd = bad. The journal = bad, pulse, not so cool either (in fact MOST of the stuff out of freedesktop, not too too cool... If I wanted an Ubuntu like experience, I'd use Ubuntu... Or windows ).
openSUSE always had defaults. Defaults are not set in stone and may change as time changes. There might be a "I am most familiar with"-way but certainly not a "best forever"-way.
So... I'll trow it back to you, you get the kernel for free... Got a "right" to complain when somehting doesn't work?
I'd say no. Report yes, just complaining is useless. In fact, even reporting downstream, i.e. at openSUSE, becomes less useful for a lot of things, simply because the organisation changed. E.g. back in the time openSUSE had a KDE team. No more. The community is supposed to take over that job now, i.e not only reporting but fixing+packaging. I guess it's the same for other areas. Hence you better report issues upstream, where the actual devs are or become part of the fixing community for server issues. You can get added to the triaging team for a component you care about at bugzilla or bring upstream fixes to openSUSE via the buildservice. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org