On 2008/09/21 21:04 (GMT+0200) Stefan Dirsch composed:
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 02:27:25PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/09/21 19:52 (GMT+0200) Stefan Dirsch composed:
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:17:47PM -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
Why not start VESA to have some GUI and then ask questions.
Why not boot into failsafe mode after having seen this confusing error message "Login:" in the Linux console?
Once non-experinced user sees only login prompt, he's already in trouble, and doesn't know how to reboot without power switch, reset button, or maybe CAD.
Doesn't matter how he reboots the machine.
You missed my point. He's already in trouble. Reboot should not be/should not have been, necessary at all. Why do you think he'll expect reboot to help, or know to try a reboot?
Then too, does he have any idea what that failsafe mode is, or that it is a means to fixing what broke?
IIRC Windows also has such a failsafe boot option, which starts the GUI in a low resolution mode.
I just tested this by removing the AGP card installed by the Vendor when the Dell GX260 shipped originally, then booted XP SP3 from the onboard i845G. It had been set to 1152x864 for the Radeon AGP. It did indeed come up in low resolution GUI mode (640x480), and popped up a balloon: Your computer's screen resolution and color depth are currently set to a very low level. You can get a better picture by increasing these settings. To do this, click this balloon. It also opened the found new hardware wizard offering to search for and install appropriate drivers. When I clicked the balloon, it opened another window (Display Settings): Do you want Windows to automatically correct your screen resolution and color depth settings?
So he likely can expect or at least hope that openSUSE behaves similarly.
Exactly, which I would expect to happen by SaX2 auto-starting, as long as boot was into runlevel 5.
AND after rebooting he has exactly two openSUSE boot options. Chances are rather high, that he simply tries failsafe this time before be reinstalls the system. I wouldn't underestimate our user base here.
High, yes. 100%, not a chance. Some install openSUSE not because of personal competence, but because someone recommended it as a good alternative to vendor lock-in, A/V & junkware overhead, and malware nightmares.
Then, running X with configuration from installation (xorg.conf.install), I would expect an average user will notice that resolution, color depth, mouse, keyboard ore touchpad settings are no longer optimal
Don't be too sure he will notice anything at all, or that if he does notice anything other than lack of speed, that he will recognize just what it is that is different, or any need to reconfigure to reach whatever it is that may be optimal.
Well, the idea of booting into failsafe is to fix the setup (in this case "Graphics card & Monitor") and reboot again into normal mode. Users know this procedure from Windows.
I don't see from my experiment above that the Windows user has to make any choices to get into a mode that allows to replace lowfi video with normal video. My idea of failsafe mode has always been just to get Linux started at all. X11failsafe is something I didn't notice existed until recently. I don't believe it's at all obvious what to expect from choosing a failsafe selection from the Grub menu. Pressing F1 oh such an entry gives no explanation of x11failsafe. It lists only splash, apm, acpi & ide, far fewer than the number of cmdline parameters I see on the Boot Options line, and all of which showing by default are not among the four listed. -- "Unless the Lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain." Psalm 127:1 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org