On 11/09/2011 09:40 AM, Tim wrote:
Hi,
since I didn't got any answer I am sending this to factory too and just try to be straightforward.
There are so many forum entries about openSUSE 12.1 and Kmail 4.7 in particular where people are complaining about it.
Many openSUSE-KDE users who are no experts might think that openSUSE is "poor" if they ship such a buggy default mail client like this. And like I mentioned I think KDE users are the biggest user base of openSUSE and openSUSE is often recommend if people want to use KDE.
Please don't get me wrong, I am not blaming, just don't make this mistake. I think incidents like this are the reasons for people to change the distribution. Try a different mailer first :-) I know more of a handful KDE contributors which don't use it anymore. AFAIR, almost all of them switched to Thunderbird, some use Claws-mail.
I believe we really should make Thunderbird the default choice. Bonus points are: * Known to Windows users / can switch easily * No breakage sinse >3 years * Has a truckload of plugins * Can integrate really well into $DESKTOP (needs plugins) * Gnome would benefit too It's basically the same like: * We ship Firefox instead of Konquerer/rekonq and Epiphany * We ship LibreOffice instead of KOffice and Gnome-Office * We ship systemd (and sysvinit for an interim period) instead of upstart, bsd-init and all the others. These where all strong decisions, but they show a certain vision for openSUSE. Having a vision is surely better that we-package-whatever-crap-upstream-invents (tm). Vision means focus, focus means concentrating on doing one thing good instead everything in a mediocre way. This is the exact same story for KPackageKit/Apper/the-thing-that-was-developed-two-seconds-before-release (tm). Instead of being religions, we should have just shipped nm-applet and enjoyed a working NetworkManager ;-) Getting back to KDEPIM (that's what the original post really was about), I already started some package splitting to not having to install akonadi. Right now I'm happily running a KDE desktop without KDEPIM/Akoandi. It's fast, it's working and it doesn't get in my way. The only crap packages left are: kdepimlibs4, libkdepimlibs4, libakonadi4, libakonadiprotocolinternals1 I'm willing to work on that too...
And it is really hard to lose a certain reputation. Not a long time ago I was asked if zypper is now better working then in openSUSE 10 because they had such a bad experience and they had never tried openSUSE again since then. -- Viele Grüße, Sascha