On 2023-04-20 13:33, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne čtvrtek 20. dubna 2023 12:48:06 CEST, Simon Lees napsal(a):
On 4/20/23 17:57, Richard Brown wrote:
The question really though is, given the above, what does the openSUSE community want to build? (yes..I know, I'm repeating the main question from my original post..but we really do need to have some discussions on that else the answer will be 'nothing')
I'm sorry, I still bit fail to understand how ALP will look like, but it probably doesn't matter now. :-) I'd just like to briefly describe my user cases as I wonder how they could be covered by ALP.
You can see how SUSE's ALP Products currently look like by downloading any of the published prototypes: https://www.suse.com/c/suse-salp-raises-the-bar-on-confidential-computing/
1) On my machines I use Tumbleweed. I absolutely love it. Newest versions, everything working. As I install various packages very frequently (typically when I need to compile new scientific SW), need of reboot after every install would be absolutely no-go. Also I use KDE, GNOME never ever. Sorry. :-)
Ok..but, we're not changing anything with Tumbleweed, so, why are you bringing this up?
2) When my colleagues ask me to install Linux for them (needed for bioinformatics), I install them Leap. It's rock stable, doesn't change much among minor versions, easy to use, I can easily create RPM packages for SW we need for us, etc. Again, need of reboot after every install would be extremely annoying. My colleagues use mostly KDE, sometimes XFCE.
4) "Office desktop". E.g. my wife has already pretty old notebook (low performance) for working with LibrOffice, web apps, videocalls etc. I don't remember when last time she needed to install something there, so reboot after install isn't any problem. I'm rather bit afraid about performance. As containers add extra layer, I don't believe it's without impact on performance.
Ok, so, are you volunteering to build an ALP based KDE/XFCE Desktop? Or an 'office desktop' as you define here? Or Both? Let's keep this conversation on the topic of what people are willing to actually step up and build. Wishes and dreams are all fine, but we really need to know what people are willing to help build in reality as opposed to an ideal dream world. Alberto's and Simon's mails are a great example of what I'd like to see in this thread, with clear concrete visions of what they are willing to help us look into next. -- Richard Brown Distributions Architect SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Frankenstraße 146, D-90461 Nuremberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Directors/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Martje Boudien Moerman