Andreas Jaeger writes:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 01:51:27 Joachim Schrod wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
And the stand-alone desktop is the primary target of openSUSE.
This change of target is very sad to read about.
Joachim, S.U.S.E Linux user since 4.4
Joachim, this is no change, this is what openSUSE does for ages already.
openSUSE is a desktop, a server, a development platform.
The default installation - and the way questions are asks - are targetting the desktop users.
Still, you can setup a server - and many do. It's just not the *primary* target.
This is still Linux. *I* *can* set up everything; I've started with Unix System V in 1981. The issue ain't if I'm *able* to, but -- how much work/effort is it. Effort is the selection criteria, not ability. Heck, most of the stuff we need, we're able to do with Windows servers, but we don't *want* to. As long as the server pattern delivers necessary infrastructure packages, that's OK. I.e., if one wants to install server software packages, syslog is a must-have. If that won't change at the same time parallel to your expected improvement »throwing out syslog from the default pattern«, you're doing a disservice to your user base. You're communicating: openSUSE is a desktop system, and the server pattern is second class. AFAIUS, this decision hasn't been done by now, that's why I'm speaking up. Excecutive summary: -- Moving syslog to server pattern installation: good. -- Removing syslog from default pattern without regard to server pattern: bad. -- Thinking openSUSE will capture the desktop market: desastrous. (If I would want to have a pure desktop-oriented user-centered Linux distribution, I would install Ubuntu.) But, judging from discussions here on this list, server requirements doesn't seem to be a focus any more. That's sad. But not to bad, we still have Debian that we can recommend to our customers, so no quarrels. We'll not leaving Linux. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Joachim Schrod Net & Publication Consultance GmbH Kranichweg 1, 63322 Roedermark, Germany Email: jschrod@npc.de, Web: http://www.npc.de/ Tel: +49-6074-861530, Fax: +49-6074-861531 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org