On 4/20/23 17:57, Richard Brown wrote:
The question really though is, given the above, what does the openSUSE community want to build? (yes..I know, I'm repeating the main question from my original post..but we really do need to have some discussions on that else the answer will be 'nothing')
Well i'm probably the one person who's answered this before but i'll go again to get us rolling. I have a desktop that doubles as a KVM Server that I use for testing desktop related packages and some other developments. Tumbleweed isn't a great solution for it because rebooting becomes painful. This combined with feedback i've read from others across various lists leads me to wanting to build the following. * Something that can run one of the lighter X11 based desktops XFCE / Enlightenment etc, without the need for containers and preferably with as many apps as practical delivered as RPM's. I still have apps that require X11. * Something that is Leap / Tumbleweed like, ie read / write filesystems and transactional updates, that will provide some form of possibly limited migration path (Migrating a desktop system with packages still provided in openSUSE ALP should work, although some services may need more migration action and obviously if there's no ALP replacement for software it wont. Having said that Migration is more of a side effect of the fact that I have a bunch of desktop related packages that I don't really feel like putting in the work to migrate to working with transactional updates. From the research I did with "Grassy Knoll" during hackweek the amount of work needed to implement this to meet my personal needs would be sustainable although many of these packages are reasonably low maintenance. The research also suggests that this will probably also be enough of a platform that it should be pretty easy for other people to start adding there own packages. One thing we did find though particularly for XFCE alot of things will depend on where SUSE lands with GTK etc, at worst it might need to be bought in from tumbleweed. But we probably still need more info for this. For now i'd put off doing much more work until after 15.5 was released and more questions were answered, although many of those questions have now been answered. On a completely different note i'd love to see a product along the lines of Raspbian that has a focus on raspberry pi and other boards for smaller embedded / home automation and various other things etc. How much time I have to work on that atm is another question. But in the future I have a robot that could use a new OS. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B