On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 16:21:09 +0100 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <adrian.glaubitz@suse.com> wrote:
On 03/07/2018 04:11 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
No, the main reason for the fork was that lots of people simply didn't like the UI design in GNOME3 which was radically different than GNOME2 was.
As I said: _one_ reason. Not the main reason, no.
It was only later when GNOME3 added a classic mode to address this issue but it was already too late.
GNOME 3 has had at least 2 different modes to look like the previous release. Fallback Mode: https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3-fallback.html This was a very close approximation of GNOME 2, with the same menus, panels, icons etc. Later there was Classic Mode: https://www.systutorials.com/4611/how-to-enable-gnome-classic-mode-in-fedora... This is more of a hybrid of GNOME Shell and GNOME 2 -- it's the normal GNOME Shell top panel, but with a bottom panel bolted on.
Indeed. And KDE3/Trinity aren't. Btw, it's called "Mate", named after the popular South American tea as guy who forked it comes from Argentina (if I remember correctly) ;).
This is correct and the Argentinians spell the tea "mate", but it's not pronounced like the English word "mate" -- it's mah-tay. So in English it's often spelled maté to distinguish it from the word meaning "friend" or "pal". And since it doesn't stand for anything, putting it in all-caps irritates me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(drink)
Ugh, what Linux Mint does is just accumulating a large number of bad forks of unmaintained software.
Speaking as someone who once based a fairly substantial project off it, I found it very useful and the team helpful and cooperative. They were a major supporter and booster of Maté in its early days, and indeed have made Ubuntu a bit more usable for less-technical folk for a long time. I must confess that I do feel that the "traditional" (i.e. Win9x-like) Gtk-based desktop landscape is getting rather crowded now, with Xfce, Maté and Cinnamon. LXDE migrating over to the Qt side broadens that landscape a little, so that's good. But hey, they're all useful, they all have fans.
This should reduce the size of all the projects and the amount of duplicated code.
Not really. It just adds another collection of forks of forks.
The Xapps initiative is a great idea. At the very least, Maté and Cinnamon could share them -- I really dislike the "client-side-decorations" menubar-less GNOME 3 apps, which I find significantly less usable than their more conventional ancestors. Xfce could usefully adopt several of them, too. More code-sharing between desktops is a *good* thing.
They created "xed" (previously named "xedit", completely ignoring the name clash with the classic X11 application) as a fork of Pluma which is a fork of GEdit for GNOME2.
I use it daily under Xfce. Its proper menu-bar-and-tool-bar UI is more useful and usable to me than the cut-down broken UI that current Gedit has.
It's a huge mess, to be honest. And even for MATE the future is at risk when the switch from X11 to Wayland happens.
It was generally held at GUADEC 2016 that the reason that everyone was switching to Gtk3 was to get Wayland support.
They are trying to workaround this issue with the help of Mir, but I am very skeptical.
I know of no such efforts... Do tell?
There are no such opportunities for Trinity, unfortunately.
Well, Trinity is Qt. The applications above are GTK.
Yes, that was my point.
You wouldn't be saving any code duplication anyway. The moment you install KDE, you pull in a large number of Qt-based library packages anyway and the moment you install any of those Mint X-apps, you will pull in half of a GNOME stack.
Yes, I know. That too was my point. LXQt might mean a choice of lighter-weight Qt accessories, at least.
Which is the reason KDE3 was removed from most distributions.
I thought it was rather simpler than that: that KDE 4 replaced it, and KDE 5 in time replaced KDE 4. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org