et al This is an interesting thread, providing feedback on zypper from the end user's experience. As another end user I find zypper to be at once "very powerful," but also "obtuse" or perhaps tone deaf might be a similar metaphor. In my case the feedback would be about zypper's installation of kernels that may OR may not be compatible with the hardware that TW is installed on . . . OR maniacally installing packages that seem to break basic function of the system. In my case the last kernel that reliably revived the display in TW was 6.12.6. In the last few days my other linux installs have moved their kernels past that to 6.12.12 & 6.12.17 in Trixie and Sid and apt maintains the system such that the display will awaken from suspend . . . but zypper is providing kernels or packages which are not???? Same "Old" machine, etc. In my experience with TW now extending back in quite a few years, zypper has of late been installing kernels that do not revive my display after suspending. Comments on the forum post from admin/guru's have suggested, "old hardware" as the source of the problem, but zypper blithely continues to install new kernels and new packages. So the question remains, is it really an "old hardware" problem OR is zypper a "zombie machine" that is not paying attention to where it is installing into?? The latest 6.13.5 kernel has returned some intermittent revival of the display, but not consistently, so a newer kernel may fix the issue this time, or it may not? The issue has recurred around the nvidia card, where using nouveau did not prevent installing some proprietary software, that then locked nouveau out and resulting in this recurring failure to revive the display problem . . . which seems to show up every 6 months or so, or after a large number of package upgrades . . . that zypper installs. So zypper does not appear to able to discern the results of its upgrades on a functioning system, which has resulted in . . . non-function, which zypper does not recognize that it has done. Bug report has been filed . . . languishing in with others, against the kernel, but perhaps this is a **zypper** problem that should be reviewed by the zypper team? https://forums.opensuse.org/t/after-zypper-dup-in-tw-for-2082-packages-today... There was a time now fading into the past where TW's package upgrades were reliable as a stone axe, now in the last 4 some years zypper will provide "wild card" outcomes . . . my "Sid" install in comparison is "rock solid." F