Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 09.14 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
Gentleman, I would like to point out that the teXlive\Tex\LaTex debate seems to be concerned with a relatively small group(in a world domination approach of distribution, which openSUSE needs) of university\scientific users.
I really think it's important to keep existing users before thinking to the world domination, which is, however, far if it will ever happen. Excluding packages like LaTeX from media means excluding from the user base an important group of users: students, teachers, university labs. They won't accept to install LaTeX on each machine separately. You've to keep in mind that in many universities PC's are directly maintained by users and not by admins. Plus, universities and research centres are where students (future users) get in contact with Linux. Do you think they will choose a distribution which requires additional media to use LaTeX (many teachers and scientific papers requires it) or a distribution which allows to install it comfortably at the installation time?
This program group seems to take enough space to be on it's own CD\DVD. As openSUSE moves towards the idea that the base install should meet the needs of a larger group, i.e Home Users, some of the current groups are going to have to accept that there favorite program will need to be on an "Add-On" product CD\DVD.
We are not talking of creating an additional DVD or CD. We are talking about leaving LaTeX only on FTP.
In terms of sharing them, this will increase the ease in which you distribute the programs to your students \ co-workers by alleviating the requirement that you have to distribute and entire distro to your students \ co-workers. Your schools \ departments could simply start saying openSUSE X.x or SLED X.x are necessary to take part in course X \ work in department X, much like they do now for other topics, and you then hand out the Tex\TeXlive DVD.
Right. I see the freedom in forcing someone to use OpenSUSE or SLED because someone else decided. The original idea was to use Linux (what distribution I like) and I will find the software I need because it works on all distributions. It's one of the principles which brought Linux to be what it is today.
We as community members are responsible to the distribution and it's well being,(that old "the good of many" thing) and in order for openSUSE to move forward it must make life easier for a much bigger group, as the 1-cd install idea does.
Right. Let the home users use the 1 CD install. And put what UNIX and Linux users want and expect to be part of the distribution on the DVD. To win, Linux has to be accessible to everyone (another basic principle), also those without a fast connection, and they're a lot, for various reasons. That's why it's important to have at least one "complete" set of media. With kind regards, A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org