Hi, Is it possible to stop bounced or rejected emails being sent back to the original senders ? This does not happen (as far as I am aware) on any other mailing lists I am part of. I have just received an email that my previous post (about kaptain) contained banned or offensive material from some schools server (stbenets.rmplc.co.uk) (unnerved me for a while there, especially as I am sending from my work account :-) I have also received bounced messages in the past too ... (actually, this is a personal data thing isn't it ? I now know several people that are subscribed to the list who may never have posted ... just because their server rejected an email for some reason) Just wondering. If it can't be changed, no matter. Kevin.
kevin.taylor@powerconv.alstom.com said:
Is it possible to stop bounced or rejected emails being sent back to the original senders ? This does not happen (as far as I am aware) on any other mailing lists I am part of.
This only happens when the rejecting sight is so clueless and RFCs non-compliant that they send bounces to the header from address rather than the envelope sender address. This is *wrong* wrong wrong wrong!!!! If someone has problems with this then talk to me offline and I will show you the issues with this - which include potential mail loops. Autoresponses and bounces to messages have to be done right - all **** breaks loose otherwise (*'s to prevent another place deciding to filter this). However it also looks as though some schools are using very dumb very over sensitive filtering, and its almost worth starting a thread about a county just north-east of london and a seaside (!) resort in the hull/lincoln region. Nigel. -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
kevin.taylor@powerconv.alstom.com said:
Is it possible to stop bounced or rejected emails being sent back to the original senders ? This does not happen (as far as I am aware) on any other mailing lists I am part of.
This only happens when the rejecting sight is so clueless and RFCs non-compliant that they send bounces to the header from address rather than the envelope sender address. This is *wrong* wrong wrong wrong!!!!
Even though the RFC's are clear some software writers have great trouble following them. RFC974 appears to especially confuse, sometimes getting completly ignored, sometimes caching DNS data, because the writer thinks it will make things more efficent. (N.B. the latter is best left to nameservers, since they actually take note of the "TTL" fields.) (Though in one case ignoring RFC's is probably deliberate, since it's apparently the policy of a certain American company.)
However it also looks as though some schools are using very dumb very
(Obvious question, which is dumbest in this situation, the software, the school or the individual who made the decision to use it. Though saying that the reports on both the Becta and NGFL websites on this kind of software contain a large proportion of promotional material from the software companies.)
over sensitive filtering, and its almost worth starting a thread about a county just north-east of london and a seaside (!) resort in the hull/lincoln region.
Except that this is such an old issue that England winning the world cup would probably be ON topic :) -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
I've Had this to - same source as well. When I requested a reason for the bounce from the RM Administrator they couldn't even be bothered to reply! Alan kevin.taylor@powerconv.alstom.com wrote:
Hi,
Is it possible to stop bounced or rejected emails being sent back to the original senders ? This does not happen (as far as I am aware) on any other mailing lists I am part of.
I have just received an email that my previous post (about kaptain) contained banned or offensive material from some schools server (stbenets.rmplc.co.uk) (unnerved me for a while there, especially as I am sending from my work account :-)
I have also received bounced messages in the past too ...
(actually, this is a personal data thing isn't it ? I now know several people that are subscribed to the list who may never have posted ... just because their server rejected an email for some reason)
Just wondering. If it can't be changed, no matter.
Kevin.
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In message <39D1F39F.DEDC5331@bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk>, Alan Harris <alanh@bryngwyn.carmarthen.sch.uk> writes
I've Had this to - same source as well. When I requested a reason for the bounce from the RM Administrator they couldn't even be bothered to reply!
I've had exactly the same responses too. But, what the heck, this is RM we're talking about <tugs forelock> ;-) -- `paul
Hi, kevin.taylor@powerconv.alstom.com wrote:
Is it possible to stop bounced or rejected emails being sent back to the original senders ? This does not happen (as far as I am aware) on any other mailing lists I am part of.
Excuse my vague guess, but isn't it possible to have an "Errors-to:" header, which bounces should be sent to? Or the envelope should have a from address of the list owner anyway, who can see all the bounces? Oh, and while we're complaining about email headers for this list, any chance the "Reply To:" could be set to the list address? This is how it's generally done on other lists AFAIK.
I have just received an email that my previous post (about kaptain) contained banned or offensive material from some schools server (stbenets.rmplc.co.uk) (unnerved me for a while there, especially as I am sending from my work account :-)
As Nigel said, some of the censorware is set to "paranoid", so any emails containing an un-munged version of "s3x", in "suss3x" for example, will bounce. -- I put contact lenses in my dog's eyes. They had little pictures of cats on them. Then I took one out and he ran around in circles. -- Steven Wright
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