Hi Joop On Mo 25 Feb 2008 13:00:52 CET Joop Boonen <joop_boonen@web.de> wrote:

I line the education project very much.

Thanks!

But what I notice is that the individual packages are not visible for the average openSuSE user.

I cant find them for instance in the Community Repositories you have to search for them on wiki. So openSuSE newbie with small kids who might find use for these packages won't find these packages.

Request can the please be added to the main ftp distro or via the Community Repositories?

"We are working on it..." Our first tasks: 1) Create a wiki pages for every "main" package and describe the usage and perhaps some "Tips and Tricks" on it. Example: http://en.opensuse.org/Tuxmath Problem: The current Template (the box on the right is not good enough imho. The german one creates links to software.opensuse.org including the package name and distribution as search parameter. So users can benefit in more than one way from the wiki pages: a) get a overview using http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Applications/Desktop b) get a detailed view clicking on the links of a single package, which opens a new wiki page containing more (and special openSUSE) informations c) download the package using the links... 2) The 10.3 and SLE10 repositories are currently not ready. We could ask Coolo to add the Buildservice repositories, but they are sometimes broken and until this (and other things) is fixed, I don't want to point users to sometimes broken packages. Only the 10.3 repository (which is hosted on download.opensuse-education.org) is currently declared as "stable". 10.3 will follow as soon as I'm back (currently I'm sitting in an internet caffee). 3) We're working on a "Package database" for translators who can translate the summary and description for each package in the education repository into their langage. A first read only version (with just english translations) is available at: http://www.opensuse-education.org/index.php?module=pnPDB With this package database, we can also provide translated package descriptions for YaST. Until all "targets" above are not in a "good enough" state, I don't want to announce them to the big world. (But if you like, you can do it ;-) If we're ready, I like to talk to the official openSUSE project management and ask for more "visibility". I'm not the man to say "here it is - try it" when it's not really there and at least a bit usable. And usability starts with documentation in my eyes. So the first point is really important for me. I've just not enough time to write the documenation for all the 100 packages in our repository over the weekend. If you like to support me, you're very welcome! :-) We've already an own directory at ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/education which currently contains the 10.2 ISO image. We can discuss, if we want to host the packages there, too, if you like. But the FTP space is limited and I don't want to blow it up too much as these directory is mirrored worldwide and not every mirror-Admin has 15GB for the packages and 15GB for the ISO images containing the same. But again: perhaps it's better we host the packages there and the ISO images on another place? ...and we should avoid to dissipate our energies on different places. Currently we've the wiki, the opensuse-education.org page and the buildservice repositories. The buildservice repositories and opensuse-education.org is manly for development and bugtracking - the wiki should be the contact point for endusers. So (later) I'll try to get a link on top of the Welcome-Page of the wiki pointing to en.opensuse.org/Education - I think this would improve the visibility. But again: bevore we do this I like to have the Wiki pages "ready".... ;-) I'm trying to give a short summary of my thoughts in the paragraphs above - if nobody raises an objection, I think this is the way we go. Even if this takes some (more) months until we start promoting openSUSE-Education to the world. I'll back in the office next week - would be great if you can answer my questions and perhaps include some of your additional ideas until then. I think we're on the right way with the steps above - but this wouldn't be my first wrong consideration... With kind regards, Lars -- Lars Vogdt <lrupp@suse.de> Autobuild Team SUSE Linux Products GmbH GF: Markus Rex Nuernberg, Germany HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-edu+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-edu+help@opensuse.org