My Post on the cost of Microsoft licenses and lack of understanding of LEAs for open software had some good feed back. I thank everybody. I must also add my feedback to some of the comments made. LEA does actually make money selling software and other services to schools. This was not an accusation. However someone made the correct judgement as incompetent people. I don't think linux is ready to be fully deployed in schools as the GUI desktops are not so ready to replace windows fully. The teacher colleauge therefore must not worry too much about spending more hours on learning it than his/her working hours. My point is that it should be brought in gradually, especially when old machines are no longer powerful enough to run Microsoft applications. My thanks to a friend here who kindly but possibly rather bluntly referred me to various sources. Someone made a distinction between IT and ICT which are effectively the same thing except ICT is more of a common term in education now. If you look at the full definition which starts like this ..." storing, communication and transmission of information..." then one will see that the "C" was adopted into ICT from the definition of IT. I will be harsh to say that those teacher who are titled as ICT teacher are in fact NOT teaching ICT but generally using the means of ICT to deliver their lessons. Teachin Microsoft Exel is not teaching ICT for example. As far as my school is concerned, I gave up totally as all seems against me when I propose a very gradual move to alternative software, be it Open source or not. I do not wish to implicate myself here but regrettably as I am only the network manager and the Head of ICT who is a senior teacher makes those decisions...incompetently I might add. As to the comment of, the fact that all students have Microsoft Officve in their homes and transportability of documents from home to school etc would cause pain to students and parents...well, how many of those students have actually own a legitimate copy of Microsoft Office!! As far as trying to convince the Head masters and school governers is concerned, it's probably a dead issue as it's those incompetent teachers who win the fight of convincing that the change is catastrophic and the idea must be abandoned. My solution for myself is..... well, change to another school or better still, move to Spain where Spanish Government installed Linix with Gnome on 80,000 computers Best wishes
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 06:44:29PM -0000, ICT Support Officer wrote:
I don't think linux is ready to be fully deployed in schools as the GUI desktops are not so ready to replace windows fully. The teacher colleauge therefore must not worry too much about spending more hours on learning it than his/her working hours. My point is that it should be brought in gradually, especially when old machines are no longer powerful enough to run Microsoft applications.
Dosn't exactly the same argument apply to "upgrading" Windows, MS Office, etc? If not why not.
As to the comment of, the fact that all students have Microsoft Officve in their homes and transportability of documents from home to school etc would cause pain to students and parents...well, how many of those students have actually own a legitimate copy of Microsoft Office!! As far as trying to convince the Head masters and school governers is concerned, it's probably a dead issue as it's those incompetent teachers who win the fight of convincing that the change is catastrophic and the idea must be abandoned.
Even if it isn't a pirate copy is it the same version used in school? Absolutly sure it's the same version? For every student? This argument works better for deploying Star/OpenOffice. No file format or piracy headaches... -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 18:44, ICT Support Officer wrote:
My Post on the cost of Microsoft licenses and lack of understanding of LEAs for open software had some good feed back. I thank everybody.
I must also add my feedback to some of the comments made. LEA does actually make money selling software and other services to schools. This was not an accusation. However someone made the correct judgement as incompetent people.
I don't think linux is ready to be fully deployed in schools as the GUI desktops are not so ready to replace windows fully.
That's why we deploy Linux thin clients for Office productivity and tools that are likely to need more machine resources and let the existing clients run Windows and the education apps that are generally not that resource hungry. If you have already paid for Windows, why not use it. The key is to stop the upgrade cycle and stop the *further* purchases of Windows and Office. In a school there is really no point in upgrading to MS Office beyond 97 because the additional facilities are of little real benefit. Office 2003 has no really significant improvements over Office XP as far as a school is concerned. If everyone simply stops buying MS products and uses what they have, that will be the first step out of the monopoly.
The teacher colleauge therefore must not worry too much about spending more hours on learning it than his/her working hours. My point is that it should be brought in gradually, especially when old machines are no longer powerful enough to run Microsoft applications.
So every school should start by having a few machines - maybe a small thin client network using older machines to gain experience and try things out. Lifelong learning? Keeping up to date? All good reasons to persuade the head and not very expensive even if yu know nothing about GNU/Linux technically because we and other companies can remotely manage a thin client server for you over the Internet.
My thanks to a friend here who kindly but possibly rather bluntly referred me to various sources.
As far as my school is concerned, I gave up totally as all seems against me when I propose a very gradual move to alternative software, be it Open source or not. I do not wish to implicate myself here but regrettably as I am only the network manager and the Head of ICT who is a senior teacher makes those decisions...incompetently I might add.
Not too surprising. He's scared of change because he sees it as a threat. You could start a free software club with the pupils after school. Just build a low cost server from bits and set up a small thin client network. You could do a bit of fund raising to get it going. Alternatively look for a job in a school that is more receptive.
My solution for myself is..... well, change to another school or better still, move to Spain where Spanish Government installed Linix with Gnome on 80,000 computers
I don't think moving to Spain is necessary. There are schools in this
country who are early adopters of Linux. E-mail me and let me know where
you are in the country and I'll look out for potential openings on my
travels. I do sit on interview panels in schools from time to time.
Regards,
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