RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Microsoft and Exam Boards and the OFT
Unless they explain it like the RFC's do, ie: protocol:user:pass:wotsit:morewotsit prompt:/command -argument I think that's picking a bit too much though, you certainly didn't need to have access to a command line to do the paper, so it doesn't fit under this remit. On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 17:39:38 +0100, Alex Brett wrote
This year I sat AQA AS Computing. Module 2 (which incidentally was one of the worst written exam papers ive seen - it even had a question where they gave you an algorithm that didn't actually work!) had a question about file systems and it basically said the following is typed into a personal computer then asked questions about what each bit of the file path etc meant and what type of file each one was (i.e. ASCII and binary). It explained what the type command did but that was all:
C:\> type c:\myproject\source\source.pas some pascal program
C:\> type c:\myproject\build\build.bld some random symbols
Now isn't this technically disadvantaging non M$ users as they may not have heard of C:\ and not have a clue what it means (I know it's unlikely but isn't this still linking to M$ too much?
Alex Brett alex.brett@brettcomputers.co.uk
On 4 Jul 2003 at 8:40, Richard Rothwell wrote:
--- Terry Taylor <ttaylor@bicester.org> wrote:
Are you telling us, therefore, that the exam boards are collaborating with Microsoft to shut out the competition? Furthermore, are you telling us that they are all doing this together? That would be a first!
There doesn't have to be collaboration - if the exam boards have written their exams, mark schemes or their syllabuses in such a way that either:
* schools have to or feel they have to purchase MS software --------or--------- * pupils of schools using non-MS products are penalised
then this is clearly anti-competitive behaviour. Whether it is illegal or not depends on the view of the lawyers!
Example....
if a mark scheme in a GCSE paper only credits an MS function syntax is this anti-competitive?
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Reverse Hosting Can anyone tell me what this is please (does it go under a different name?), and maybe how I do it? I have a proxy that I now want to put in series with our router. We have 512 public addresses. We want to make the internal network private but our email server (Imail) uses a public address and will be behind the proxy. The helpful chap at RM said "you want reverse hosting on your squid box" - cant find anything about it. Kind regards Adrian Wells
Not looked at the suse box yet (cus it's on the other side of the campus) in the meantime, can anyone point me in the direction of a Reverse DNS HowTo? Kind regards Adrian Wells
So reverse hosting IS reverse DNS? Would this cause a problem having two DNS servers on a network? Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: Grainge, Derek <DGG@wellington-college.berks.sch.uk> To: adrian.wells <adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Reverse Hosting Half an answer. If DNS means taking a domain name and resolving it to an IP number, then reverse hosting means taking an IP and turning it into a machine *name*. -----Original Message----- From: adrian.wells [mailto:adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk] Sent: 07 July 2003 14:47 To: suse-linux-uk-schools@suse.com Subject: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Reverse Hosting Reverse Hosting Can anyone tell me what this is please (does it go under a different name?), and maybe how I do it? I have a proxy that I now want to put in series with our router. We have 512 public addresses. We want to make the internal network private but our email server (Imail) uses a public address and will be behind the proxy. The helpful chap at RM said "you want reverse hosting on your squid box" - cant find anything about it. Kind regards Adrian Wells -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: suse-linux-uk-schools-help@suse.com -- **************************************************************************** **** All mail sent and received may be examined to prevent transmission of unacceptable material. Wellington College does not accept responsibility for email contents. Problems to postmaster@wellington-college.berks.sch.uk. Website: http://www.wellington-college.berks.sch.uk **************************************************************************** ****
--- "adrian.wells" <adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk> wrote:
So reverse hosting IS reverse DNS?
Yes, AKA: "reverse DNS lookup"
Would this cause a problem having two DNS servers on a network?
Nope. -- Thomas Adam
Adrian
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Half an answer. If DNS means taking a domain name and resolving it to an IP number, then reverse hosting means taking an IP and turning it into a machine *name*.
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Reverse Hosting
Can anyone tell me what this is please (does it go under a different name?), and maybe how I do it?
I have a proxy that I now want to put in series with our router. We have 512 public addresses. We want to make the internal network private but our email server (Imail) uses a public address and will be behind the proxy. The helpful chap at RM said "you want reverse hosting on your squid box" - cant find anything about it.
Kind regards Adrian Wells
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adrian.wells <adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk> wrote:
server (Imail) uses a public address and will be behind the proxy. The helpful chap at RM said "you want reverse hosting on your squid box" - cant find anything about it.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think this isn't anything connected to squid. It sounds more like some sort of policy needs configuring on the router, assuming that you want the email server to be accessible from outside. Most likely this is done using iptables if the router uses GNU/Linux, but without knowing specifics it's hard to give useful advice. At the very least, the email server should not be left on the same network as the "private" systems. Putting the proxy "in series" with the router seems odd, but you may have your reasons. Normally, I would put the web proxy and mail server in one network, the private machines in another and configure the router accordingly. I'm not sure whether running an SMTP gateway on the proxy is a good idea. Be aware of the increased security risk, but presumably it is monitored very closely already, so it might be the best bet. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Thought: "Changeset algebra is really difficult."
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adrian.wells <adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk> wrote:
server (Imail) uses a public address and will be behind the proxy. The helpful chap at RM said "you want reverse hosting on your squid box" - cant find anything about it.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think this isn't anything connected to squid. In retrospect I'm sure that your right regarding squid.
It sounds more like some sort of policy needs configuring on the router, assuming that you want the email server to be accessible from outside. Most likely this is done using iptables if the router uses GNU/Linux, but without knowing specifics it's hard to give useful advice. Yes the proxy box runs SuSE 7.2 while the fileservers run NT4. We want to keep our email hosted from the same server that it's on now, but we want to give everything 'inside' of the squid box a private address.
At the very least, the email server should not be left on the same network as the "private" systems. Putting the proxy "in series" with the router seems odd, but you may have your reasons. By 'in series' I mean that the squid box will sit between the router and the private network. We are using ARP on squid to limit users logging laptops onto the network. As some of them (so all of them!) know the address of the router, they can bypass our proxy. Having looked more closely we have 23 (.0 to .22) public addresses.
According to RM it seams that we need to set up a reverse look-up on the squid box so that the mailgate is contactable from outside (as it is now) and they will make adjustments in their DNS, That's as much as I can get out of them. maybe because they sell a similar system>
Normally, I would put the web proxy and mail server in one network, the private machines in another and configure the router accordingly. Agreed, but if we fiddle too much RM will not support the system, which is understandable.
I'm not sure whether running an SMTP gateway on the proxy is a good idea. Be aware of the increased security risk, but presumably it is monitored very closely already, so it might be the best bet. I don't think that running SMTP (as such) is the idea, I think that the idea is to fool the outside world that 10.10.1.2 is really 212.173.132.2 but I may have hold of the wrong end of the stick. At the moment our squid box has two NIC 212.173.132.5 & 6 the former will become 10.10.1.5 which will allow internet access on port 3128 after I change the w/s hosts files, the latter will connect to the router.
I've been trawling the net, but I don't think I understand the problem sufficiently to ask the right questions - It was all very simple until the mailserver entered the equation! :-) Kind regards Adrian
adrian.wells <adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk> wrote:
According to RM it seams that we need to set up a reverse look-up on the squid box so that the mailgate is contactable from outside (as it is now) and they will make adjustments in their DNS, That's as much as I can get out of them. maybe because they sell a similar system>
OK, from what I understand now, you need to either configure whatever firewall software is on SuSE to forward connections to certain ports on one of the public IP addresses to the mail server (in shorewall and some other systems, this is "Static NAT"), *or* you can run nportredir, rinetd or uinetd on the squid box to do the same job. Hopefully, the terms in the above paragraph (port redirection, Static NAT and so on) should give you enough to find something useful. [...]
Agreed, but if we fiddle too much RM will not support the system, which is understandable.
If a supplier does not give you what you need, it is time to change supplier. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Thought: "Changeset algebra is really difficult."
adrian.wells <adrian.wells@sidcot.org.uk> wrote:
According to RM it seams that we need to set up a reverse look-up on the squid box so that the mailgate is contactable from outside (as it is now) and they will make adjustments in their DNS, That's as much as I can get out of them. maybe because they sell a similar system>
OK, from what I understand now, you need to either configure whatever firewall software is on SuSE to forward connections to certain ports on one of the public IP addresses to the mail server (in shorewall and some other systems, this is "Static NAT"), *or* you can run nportredir, rinetd or uinetd on the squid box to do the same job.
Hopefully, the terms in the above paragraph (port redirection, Static NAT and so on) should give you enough to find something useful. Thanks, off to scan the net.
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Agreed, but if we fiddle too much RM will not support the system, which is understandable.
If a supplier does not give you what you need, it is time to change supplier. We've had this thread already? They supply us with what we (not me) purchased...
Again thanks for the help Kind regards Adrian
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 02:47:23PM +0100, adrian.wells wrote:
Reverse Hosting
Can anyone tell me what this is please (does it go under a different name?), and maybe how I do it?
I have a proxy that I now want to put in series with our router. We have 512 public addresses. We want to make the internal network private but our email
That's a lot of public IPs.
server (Imail) uses a public address and will be behind the proxy. The helpful chap at RM said "you want reverse hosting on your squid box" - cant find anything about it.
Wouldn't proxy arp and setting appropriate routes do the trick? -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
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