Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] X based Windows app. server
Ah, that's a shame if it's the only way :( I'm guessing that Citrix is going to cost big money :(
(Presumably the application in question won't work with Wine.)
I don't know. While WINE is good, you really need a windows partition to run off. And you also need a lot of patience as WINE isn't very robust at the moment (the kind of applications I'm thinking of are perhaps some multimedia titles, or Kudos or similar).
VMWare/Win4Lin cost more money :( I was hoping for free software (at least freely re-distributable) solution ;) Cheers, Chris Howells
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Even if you only want to run one application it isn't quite that simple if you want to do things like access files belonging to the user, print, etc. You'd need a fairly large VM, especially with Microsoft's non modular design ideas.
I'm not sure I understand why you'd need a Windows partition.
the moment (the kind of applications I'm thinking of are perhaps some multimedia titles, or Kudos or similar).
"multimedia" titles are a problem anyway, because many demanding a drive letter for the "CDROM". Either you need some kind of automounter or you run out of drive letters PDQ.
A lot less money that NT, Citrix and client licences. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
Maybe I misunderstood you Mark. Why is Windows any better under Win4Lin than natively. I'm only asking because I hav esome similar decisions to make. Cheers -- Matt --- Mark Evans <mpe@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk> wrote:
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Partly because it's not trying to interface directly with the hardware. Also the ease of creating an envronment where it really does not matter what the end user does. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 06 February 2002 3:08 pm, Matt Johnson wrote:
I don't know if it is, but it _appears_ much faster. I largely attribute this to the speed of the ext2/3 file systems. - -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris@chrishowells.co.uk, howells@kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Yu02F8Iu1zN5WiwRAgbbAJ9Tfxgd1qVfrmBbk1up5OBd/0oQpQCcD12a jRjd747SyydM1qWzMLjwaHE= =6a/0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 06 February 2002 12:30 pm, Mark Evans wrote:
True. I'm hoping that that can be worked around :)
I'm not sure I understand why you'd need a Windows partition.
WINE runs best when it can access the "real" Windows DLLs from a Windows partition. Apparently.
Ah right, another difficulty to think about :( - -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris@chrishowells.co.uk, howells@kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8YvYCF8Iu1zN5WiwRAj1MAJ9ZpCQzHW2jLIYiPsbEVQLkwo1qfQCfVGbM 39RFIdlfHr/lvS4GlmbPxqE= =cFQw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Whilst it might like native Windows DLLs how is an application going to know what kind of file system it is using? Considering the whole point of the Linux VFS is to ensure that only fairly low levels of the kernel need to be bothered with this. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
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Even if you only want to run one application it isn't quite that simple if you want to do things like access files belonging to the user, print, etc. You'd need a fairly large VM, especially with Microsoft's non modular design ideas.
I'm not sure I understand why you'd need a Windows partition.
the moment (the kind of applications I'm thinking of are perhaps some multimedia titles, or Kudos or similar).
"multimedia" titles are a problem anyway, because many demanding a drive letter for the "CDROM". Either you need some kind of automounter or you run out of drive letters PDQ.
A lot less money that NT, Citrix and client licences. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
Maybe I misunderstood you Mark. Why is Windows any better under Win4Lin than natively. I'm only asking because I hav esome similar decisions to make. Cheers -- Matt --- Mark Evans <mpe@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk> wrote:
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Partly because it's not trying to interface directly with the hardware. Also the ease of creating an envronment where it really does not matter what the end user does. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 06 February 2002 3:08 pm, Matt Johnson wrote:
I don't know if it is, but it _appears_ much faster. I largely attribute this to the speed of the ext2/3 file systems. - -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris@chrishowells.co.uk, howells@kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Yu02F8Iu1zN5WiwRAgbbAJ9Tfxgd1qVfrmBbk1up5OBd/0oQpQCcD12a jRjd747SyydM1qWzMLjwaHE= =6a/0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 06 February 2002 12:30 pm, Mark Evans wrote:
True. I'm hoping that that can be worked around :)
I'm not sure I understand why you'd need a Windows partition.
WINE runs best when it can access the "real" Windows DLLs from a Windows partition. Apparently.
Ah right, another difficulty to think about :( - -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris@chrishowells.co.uk, howells@kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8YvYCF8Iu1zN5WiwRAj1MAJ9ZpCQzHW2jLIYiPsbEVQLkwo1qfQCfVGbM 39RFIdlfHr/lvS4GlmbPxqE= =cFQw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Whilst it might like native Windows DLLs how is an application going to know what kind of file system it is using? Considering the whole point of the Linux VFS is to ensure that only fairly low levels of the kernel need to be bothered with this. -- Mark Evans St. Peter's CofE High School Phone: +44 1392 204764 X109 Fax: +44 1392 204763
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