[opensuse-buildservice] opensuse evergreen 11.1 would be a nice build service target
I would advocate for opensuse evergreen 11.1 as a new build service target. I failed in building some of my packages on SLED 11 because of failed dependencies, but was succesful on the eldest availible opensuse target. Maybe I did not get how to also use packages from the SLE SDK. But - as SLED 11 seems to be similar to openSUSE 11.1 versionwise - it would be a good starting point to use those packages as replacement for the missing ones in SLED. Also there ARE people outside that do not upgrade openSUSE (because of old Hardware e.g.) and are now very happy with openSUSE 11.1 evergreen. In my eyes these are 2 good reasons to wish a openSUSE 11.1 evergreen target in the Open Build Service. Johannes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Am 09.11.2012 15:18, schrieb Johannes Poehlmann:
I would advocate for opensuse evergreen 11.1 as a new build service target.
I failed in building some of my packages on SLED 11 because of failed dependencies, but was succesful on the eldest availible opensuse target.
Maybe I did not get how to also use packages from the SLE SDK.
But - as SLED 11 seems to be similar to openSUSE 11.1 versionwise - it would be a good starting point to use those packages as replacement for the missing ones in SLED.
Also there ARE people outside that do not upgrade openSUSE (because of old Hardware e.g.) and are now very happy with openSUSE 11.1 evergreen.
In my eyes these are 2 good reasons to wish a openSUSE 11.1 evergreen target in the Open Build Service.
actually even Evergreen 11.1 is not supported anymore since some time unfortunately so it's not really a candidate as a targer project anymore. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/9/2012 9:24 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
Am 09.11.2012 15:18, schrieb Johannes Poehlmann:
I would advocate for opensuse evergreen 11.1 as a new build service target.
I failed in building some of my packages on SLED 11 because of failed dependencies, but was succesful on the eldest availible opensuse target.
Maybe I did not get how to also use packages from the SLE SDK.
But - as SLED 11 seems to be similar to openSUSE 11.1 versionwise - it would be a good starting point to use those packages as replacement for the missing ones in SLED.
Also there ARE people outside that do not upgrade openSUSE (because of old Hardware e.g.) and are now very happy with openSUSE 11.1 evergreen.
In my eyes these are 2 good reasons to wish a openSUSE 11.1 evergreen target in the Open Build Service.
actually even Evergreen 11.1 is not supported anymore since some time unfortunately so it's not really a candidate as a targer project anymore.
Wolfgang
What was the point of calling it Evergreen in the first place then? Or was 11.1 never even used as an Evergreen base in the first place? I don't remember when it started. In any event, Johannes did you try building against DISCONTINUED_openSUSE_11.1_Update_standard ? That has been available all along and should remain available indefinitely. I build many packages against several discontinued repos from 10.0 to 12.1 Those packages then install without problem on production 11.1 boxes. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
Am 12.11.2012 22:45, schrieb Brian K. White:
What was the point of calling it Evergreen in the first place then? Or was 11.1 never even used as an Evergreen base in the first place? I don't remember when it started.
The point was that there was an additional year of maintenance for it. So in sum there was three years. And since I was alone doing it, it wasn't possible to do it for a longer time. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Wolfgang, You made a couple of people happy by doing evergreen 11.1. Thanks a lot for doing it one year. No one would ask you to maintain 11.1. evergreen in your spare time. My point was that keeping evergreen versions running that match their SLE counterparts would add value to SLE, as people can build more packages for SLE in the build service. This could make Evergreen a business case for SUSE indirectly by making SLE more attractive. Johannes On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 07:35:58AM +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 12.11.2012 22:45, schrieb Brian K. White:
What was the point of calling it Evergreen in the first place then? Or was 11.1 never even used as an Evergreen base in the first place? I don't remember when it started.
The point was that there was an additional year of maintenance for it. So in sum there was three years. And since I was alone doing it, it wasn't possible to do it for a longer time.
Wolfgang
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Am 13.11.2012 12:02, schrieb Johannes Poehlmann:
My point was that keeping evergreen versions running that match their SLE counterparts would add value to SLE, as people can build more packages for SLE in the build service. This could make Evergreen a business case for SUSE indirectly by making SLE more attractive.
Actually SLE11 drifted away far too much from 11.1 by service packs already. Both are and were not comparable anymore in the end since even a lot of base packages were updated in SLE11. Evergreen was not designed to be a binary compatible platform from SLE. I would actually love to have something like that but SUSE up to now disagrees that this is a business case. But this discussion is far beyond -buildservice and we had some at the openSUSE conference but w/o a final status. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
On 9 November 2012 14:24, Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> wrote:
actually even Evergreen 11.1 is not supported anymore since some time unfortunately so it's not really a candidate as a targer project anymore.
Could then it be moved to DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1? Also, there was any kind of announcement? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
Am 13.11.2012 12:10, schrieb Cristian Morales Vega:
On 9 November 2012 14:24, Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> wrote:
actually even Evergreen 11.1 is not supported anymore since some time unfortunately so it's not really a candidate as a targer project anymore.
Could then it be moved to DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1?
Probably. The DISCONTINUED namespace is not mine.
Also, there was any kind of announcement?
https://www.rosenauer.org/blog/2011/11/18/evergreen-project-status-update/ and also http://lists.rosenauer.org/pipermail/evergreen/2011-October/000513.html http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen Maybe it should have been more explicit and in other channels as well. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
On 13 November 2012 11:24, Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> wrote:
Am 13.11.2012 12:10, schrieb Cristian Morales Vega:
On 9 November 2012 14:24, Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> wrote:
actually even Evergreen 11.1 is not supported anymore since some time unfortunately so it's not really a candidate as a targer project anymore.
Could then it be moved to DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1?
Probably. The DISCONTINUED namespace is not mine.
Also, there was any kind of announcement?
https://www.rosenauer.org/blog/2011/11/18/evergreen-project-status-update/ and also http://lists.rosenauer.org/pipermail/evergreen/2011-October/000513.html
On 13th January 2012, after referencing that blog post, you told me "There is no final decision yet".
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen
Maybe it should have been more explicit and in other channels as well.
Specially more explicit. This (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2012-11/msg00000.html) is the perfect way: "With the release of ruby on Monday 5th of November the SUSE sponsored maintenance of openSUSE 11.4 has ended." I know the exact date and even the latest released patch. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
Am 13.11.2012 12:43, schrieb Cristian Morales Vega:
On 13 November 2012 11:24, Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> wrote:
Am 13.11.2012 12:10, schrieb Cristian Morales Vega:
On 9 November 2012 14:24, Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> wrote:
actually even Evergreen 11.1 is not supported anymore since some time unfortunately so it's not really a candidate as a targer project anymore.
Could then it be moved to DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1?
Probably. The DISCONTINUED namespace is not mine.
Also, there was any kind of announcement?
https://www.rosenauer.org/blog/2011/11/18/evergreen-project-status-update/ and also http://lists.rosenauer.org/pipermail/evergreen/2011-October/000513.html
On 13th January 2012, after referencing that blog post, you told me "There is no final decision yet".
There was a grace period when someone else wanted to take over. Since this didn't happen my first announcement (ending end of 2011) was still valid.
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen
Maybe it should have been more explicit and in other channels as well.
Specially more explicit. This (http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2012-11/msg00000.html) is the perfect way: "With the release of ruby on Monday 5th of November the SUSE sponsored maintenance of openSUSE 11.4 has ended." I know the exact date and even the latest released patch.
Yes, Evergreen 11.1 and 11.2 had/have experimental status somehow. 11.4 is the first really planned Evergreen release and we try to improve our communication. People are invited to help out. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+owner@opensuse.org
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