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[opensuse-buildservice] THANKS - All 11.1 derived targets vanished

Hans-Peter Jansen

18 Feb 2011 18 Feb '11

17:26

It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror. I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed. Thanks, Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

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Chris

18 Feb 18 Feb

17:34

Hi, Am 18.02.2011 18:26, schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror.

I don't think that "packages" have been deleted. perhaps the repository they have been build against. If you need to have them build again, there is a possibility to use "DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1"

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I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed.

Hey, that is not "new" that from time to time a dist gets "DISCONTINUED" ;)

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Thanks, Pete

Cheers Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Adrian Schröter

18:06

Am Freitag, 18. Februar 2011, 18:26:21 schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror.

I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed.

You failed since december to move to discontinued as announce since then. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adrian@suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

18:14

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Chris wrote:

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Hi,

Am 18.02.2011 18:26, schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror.

I don't think that "packages" have been deleted. perhaps the repository they have been build against. If you need to have them build again, there is a possibility to use "DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1"

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I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed.

Hey, that is not "new" that from time to time a dist gets "DISCONTINUED" ;)

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Thanks, Pete

Cheers Chris

What is new is you now have at least 3 11.1 repos to build against: DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1 DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1:Update/standard openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1 Evergreen:11.1 being the new one that few will be familiar with. It has a handful of packages in it that have seen security updates since official 11.1 support was discontinued in Dec. Note the lack of "Discontinued" in its name. And soon there will be: openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1:kernel-2.6.32 But it is not ready for prime time yet. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Hans-Peter Jansen

18:52

On Friday 18 February 2011, 19:06:55 Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Am Freitag, 18. Februar 2011, 18:26:21 schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror.

I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed.

You failed since december to move to discontinued as announce since then.

Adrian, I had boat loads of builds to targets like KDE_Distro_Stable_openSUSE_11.1, KDE_Distro_Factory_openSUSE_11.1 that all vanished. Or builds against openSUSE_11.1 of devel:language:python, that are all gone. How should I have had moved these over? Again, failing builds is one thing, removing everything from projects _and_ repos is something very different in my book. OBS should have told this its users before first use: Don't rely on me, I'm killing off everything, that I don't like, or that I think is outdated. Take that for granted, I'm not kidding. BTW, I wasn't able to locate a message with 11.1 in the subject in the respective MLs, that states this fact. But I found a mail from Dominique Leuenberger back in 2008 "[opensuse-buildservice] openSUSE 10.2 dropped from BS" that criticizes a similar act already as being way too rude, but who cares about users.. Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Hans-Peter Jansen

19:01

On Friday 18 February 2011, 18:34:48 Chris wrote:

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Hi,

Am 18.02.2011 18:26, schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror.

I don't think that "packages" have been deleted. perhaps the repository they have been build against. If you need to have them build again, there is a possibility to use "DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1"

No, not the packages. At least, I didn't notice. I'm pretty fed up, as I worked heavily on a project the last weeks, and when it come to rollout, I had to notice, that almost all repos, that I rely on, are gone. External and my own. I had boat loads of builds to targets like: KDE_Distro_Stable_openSUSE_11.1, KDE_Distro_Factory_openSUSE_11.1 that all vanished. Or builds against the openSUSE_11.1 version of devel:language:python, that are all gone. Targets _and_ repos. Deleted. And I was so silly to promote this service around the world. Oh, well.

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I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed.

Hey, that is not "new" that from time to time a dist gets "DISCONTINUED" ;)

Sure, but this time it hurts :-(.. Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Malcolm

19:10

New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: THANKS - All 11.1 derived targets vanished

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:01:18 +0100 "Hans-Peter Jansen" wrote:

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On Friday 18 February 2011, 18:34:48 Chris wrote:

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Hi,

Am 18.02.2011 18:26, schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror.

I don't think that "packages" have been deleted. perhaps the repository they have been build against. If you need to have them build again, there is a possibility to use "DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1"

No, not the packages. At least, I didn't notice. I'm pretty fed up, as I worked heavily on a project the last weeks, and when it come to rollout, I had to notice, that almost all repos, that I rely on, are gone. External and my own. I had boat loads of builds to targets like:

KDE_Distro_Stable_openSUSE_11.1, KDE_Distro_Factory_openSUSE_11.1

that all vanished. Or builds against the openSUSE_11.1 version of devel:language:python, that are all gone. Targets _and_ repos. Deleted.

And I was so silly to promote this service around the world. Oh, well.

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I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed.

Hey, that is not "new" that from time to time a dist gets "DISCONTINUED" ;)

Sure, but this time it hurts :-(..

Pete Hi http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-security-announce/2011-01/msg00005.html http://en.opensuse.org/Lifetime#Discontinued_distributions

Why not create your own instance locally of obs to build and publish, then you won't have this issue? -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.32.27-0.2-default up 7 days 14:56, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.11, 0.08 GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 260.19.26 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Kleine

19:12

On Friday February 18 2011 19:52:04 Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:

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On Friday 18 February 2011, 19:06:55 Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Am Freitag, 18. Februar 2011, 18:26:21 schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror.

I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed.

You failed since december to move to discontinued as announce since then.

Adrian, I had boat loads of builds to targets like KDE_Distro_Stable_openSUSE_11.1, KDE_Distro_Factory_openSUSE_11.1

that all vanished. Or builds against openSUSE_11.1 of devel:language:python, that are all gone. How should I have had moved these over?

Again, failing builds is one thing, removing everything from projects _and_ repos is something very different in my book.

OBS should have told this its users before first use:

Don't rely on me, I'm killing off everything, that I don't like, or that I think is outdated. Take that for granted, I'm not kidding.

Are you seriously saying that distro versions that went EOL getting moved into the Discontinued namespace and their build targets getting removed from normal repos to save build power and mirror space is new to you? Please get a grip or come up with quite some money to buy more build hosts, bandwidth and some hds for mirrors.

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BTW, I wasn't able to locate a message with 11.1 in the subject in the respective MLs, that states this fact. But I found a mail from Dominique Leuenberger back in 2008 "[opensuse-buildservice] openSUSE 10.2 dropped from BS" that criticizes a similar act already as being way too rude, but who cares about users..

Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Hans-Peter Jansen

19:29

On Friday 18 February 2011, 19:14:15 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Chris wrote:

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Hi,

Am 18.02.2011 18:26, schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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It would have been nice to a least send out a warning, probably on a low traffic list like announce, that all 11.1 dependent targets and its packages are going to be killed of. That way, I would have been able to prepare a local mirror.

I don't think that "packages" have been deleted. perhaps the repository they have been build against. If you need to have them build again, there is a possibility to use "DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1"

...
I thought, that fascist operators from hell would had been an issue of the past. I failed.

Hey, that is not "new" that from time to time a dist gets "DISCONTINUED" ;)

...
Thanks, Pete

Cheers Chris

What is new is you now have at least 3 11.1 repos to build against:

DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1 DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1:Update/standard openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1

Evergreen:11.1 being the new one that few will be familiar with.

It has a handful of packages in it that have seen security updates since official 11.1 support was discontinued in Dec.

Note the lack of "Discontinued" in its name.

Yes, I noticed, and we talked about the 2.6.32 kernel issues already. I'm using 11.1 with the KDE_4.5 stable build (because of the newer Qt). My desktop is KDE3 because I have to stay compatible with my customers, that run the same setup (and it offers many customized things, that KDE4 does very different (e.g. quick dialing with my snom phone from the KDE addressbook, or with selecting some number by mouse and hitting a shortcut, or via a small, simple, editable, hierarchical menu on the desktop..) and that's just one of its goodies. (Note, that I'm doing diskless KDE business desktops since KDE 2, IOW since more then 10 years). A newer Qt is necessary for my newer PyQt projects. In short, I'm missing everything around 11.1, that I rely on: Java:/packages/openSUSE_11.1 KDE:/Release:/45/openSUSE_11.1 Virtualization/openSUSE_11.1 Virtualization:/Appliances/openSUSE_update_11.1 Virtualization:/KVM:/staging/openSUSE_11.1 X11:/RemoteDesktop/openSUSE_11.1 devel:/languages:/python/openSUSE_11.1 devel:/tools/openSUSE_11.1 multimedia/openSUSE_11.1 mozilla/openSUSE_11.1 multimedia:/libs/openSUSE_11.1 openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_11.1 server:/monitoring/openSUSE_11.1 vdr/openSUSE_11.1 OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_11.1 Should we try to convince the respective project maintainer to build against the evergreen:11.1 target?

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And soon there will be: openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1:kernel-2.6.32

But it is not ready for prime time yet.

Hopefully, I get around testing it soon. Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Rosenauer

19:32

Am 18.02.2011 20:29, schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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What is new is you now have at least 3 11.1 repos to build against:

DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1 DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1:Update/standard openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1

Evergreen:11.1 being the new one that few will be familiar with.

In short, I'm missing everything around 11.1, that I rely on:

mozilla/openSUSE_11.1

I will recreate that one anyway.

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Should we try to convince the respective project maintainer to build against the evergreen:11.1 target?

No, the 11.1 GA target is DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1. Only if you explicitely need to build against the updates (often the case for kmps but not regular packages) choose the evergreen one. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Marcus Rueckert

20:12

On 2011-02-18 20:01:18 +0100, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:

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Sure, but this time it hurts :-(..

you had 2.5 months to: communicate with all the other project maintainer "please make sure your 11.1 repositories get reconfigured to discontinued before purge" or... link all the packages you need in your project so they keep building. you havent done *any* of those and now blame us. class move really. darix p.s.: you know what feds me up regularly ... that i delete your nvidia packages, send you warning mails and you recreate them over and over. -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

20:26

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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Am 18.02.2011 20:29, schrieb Hans-Peter Jansen:

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What is new is you now have at least 3 11.1 repos to build against:

DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1 DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1:Update/standard openSUSE:Evergreen:11.1

Evergreen:11.1 being the new one that few will be familiar with.

In short, I'm missing everything around 11.1, that I rely on:

mozilla/openSUSE_11.1

I will recreate that one anyway.

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Should we try to convince the respective project maintainer to build against the evergreen:11.1 target?

No, the 11.1 GA target is DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1. Only if you explicitely need to build against the updates (often the case for kmps but not regular packages) choose the evergreen one.

Wolfgang

As Wolfgang said, my understanding is additional packages should build against the core distro (DISCONTINUED:openSUSE:11.1 in this case). But if a specific project needs something from the updates / Evergreen repo, then that is what it should build against. To be honest, I don't fully appreciate the logic behind that, but it is the standard/recommended way. Wolfgang or other, if you get a chance to explain the logic or point me at a wiki entry, I'd be curious about why. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

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