[opensuse-buildservice] Some suggestions
Hi list, I know that this might be like I am overlooking things but yes, I do respect the hard work the community has done to make such a great distro. But as always it has some imperfections which I think can be improved upon. I have my suggestions here which I think could be worked upon on, in the next version i.e. version 11.0 . I have not tested the alpha versions due to bandwidth constraints but I would still like to tell these: 1. The YaST must refresh the repositories only if new additions have been done to the repository. So you may maintain a LAST UPDATE DATE / TIME for each repository. That will seriously help us people with lower bandwidth. 2. I am a student and I see that most of my friends do not run the Linux system just because they think that it is too geeky to run that or that it is really difficult. I know the friendliness of the system is more than Windows, just that the rules are diff. But, I just wanted if there could be a new 'STUDENT EDITION" of the distro in its new avtars. The reason is: they want to use linux for the college classes and such stuff. So, instead of pushing in much applications, why don't you create a new edition of the Distro with the shell tools available ion that. Such as gcc, make, dos2unix etc are missing in the CD versions. So you can just put in more and more shell tools and reduce on some of the messengers, browsers and photo management things. Anyway those tools are not used much by the students new to Linux. So that could be packed into one edition called as *student edition*. 3. I am a programmer but am not good enough to contribute in a project as such and have no time to learn how to do that. However I would like to help the community. I am soon to have a website of my own. I wanted to ask if I can host some of the images of the distro which I like and think are good for the download. I wont be able to mirror the whole distro due to space and bandwidth bottlenecks. However I can have 2 CD images and 2 DVD images (I would like to choose which one I would like to keep on the server) and I would allow downloads from my website without being listed on the mirror page (that will help me keep my bandwidth usage in reason and limits of the hosting providers). Is that possible? 4. A lot of software in the main DVD is not really useful to many people. for example, not everybody is interested in learning how to be a CELL developer or such thing. Instead of that you could provide more usefull and demanded software like compiz-fusion and google earth? Those which are less used, can always be there in the online repos. 5. I know it is not really easy to do it. but can yast be like apt-get? Or at least you can improve upon 'smart' and add it in the default DVDs. I hope you would like to discuss about the proposals given. Thanks a lot. ------- Vaibhav Kaushal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org
Hi! You are on the wrong list. Better places are opensuse-project and opensuse-factory. And specific issues should be reported through bugzilla.novell.com (you'll need an account there... but it is well worth it ;-) One pointer I have for you: KIWI (http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI) allows building custom versions of the distro. (Is there a better list for discussing system image creation? Anyone?) And, by accident, I'm able to reply to one other issue: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:58:15PM +0530, Vaibhav Kaushal wrote:
to ask if I can host some of the images of the distro which I like and think are good for the download. I wont be able to mirror the whole distro due to space and bandwidth bottlenecks. However I can have 2 CD images and 2 DVD images (I would like to choose which one I would like to keep on the server) and I would allow downloads from my website without being listed on the mirror page (that will help me keep my bandwidth usage in reason and limits of the hosting providers). Is that possible?
Yes, that is possible. You could pick anything to mirror. And we can redirect clients from your country to your server. Where is your machine geographically located? The most important question, though, is how much bandwidth do you have? You might want to read up on http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Redirector Please reply to ftpadmin@suse.de on this issue. Thanks a lot for the offer! Peter -- "WARNING: This bug is visible to non-employees. Please be respectful!" SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Dr. Peter Poeml <poeml@suse.de> wrote:
Hi!
You are on the wrong list. Better places are opensuse-project and opensuse-factory. And specific issues should be reported through bugzilla.novell.com (you'll need an account there... but it is well worth it ;-)
One pointer I have for you: KIWI (http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI) allows building custom versions of the distro. (Is there a better list for discussing system image creation? Anyone?)
Yeah, there is the kiwi-users mailing list: https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/kiwi-users Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 25 February 2008 17:28:15 wrote Vaibhav Kaushal:
Hi list,
I know that this might be like I am overlooking things but yes, I do respect the hard work the community has done to make such a great distro. But as always it has some imperfections which I think can be improved upon. I have my suggestions here which I think could be worked upon on, in the next version i.e. version 11.0 . I have not tested the alpha versions due to bandwidth constraints but I would still like to tell these:
1. The YaST must refresh the repositories only if new additions have been done to the repository. So you may maintain a LAST UPDATE DATE / TIME for each repository. That will seriously help us people with lower bandwidth.
A refresh does only happens when the meta data did change. The meta data should also only get updated when something changed. So this should be the case already.
2. I am a student and I see that most of my friends do not run the Linux system just because they think that it is too geeky to run that or that it is really difficult. I know the friendliness of the system is more than Windows, just that the rules are diff. But, I just wanted if there could be a new 'STUDENT EDITION" of the distro in its new avtars. The reason is: they want to use linux for the college classes and such stuff. So, instead of pushing in much applications, why don't you create a new edition of the Distro with the shell tools available ion that. Such as gcc, make, dos2unix etc are missing in the CD versions. So you can just put in more and more shell tools and reduce on some of the messengers, browsers and photo management things. Anyway those tools are not used much by the students new to Linux. So that could be packed into one edition called as *student edition*.
Well, where is the problem to use the regular one and just not to install everything ? Why do you need a rebranded distro just for this ?
3. I am a programmer but am not good enough to contribute in a project as such and have no time to learn how to do that. However I would like to help the community. I am soon to have a website of my own. I wanted to ask if I can host some of the images of the distro which I like and think are good for the download. I wont be able to mirror the whole distro due to space and bandwidth bottlenecks. However I can have 2 CD images and 2 DVD images (I would like to choose which one I would like to keep on the server) and I would allow downloads from my website without being listed on the mirror page (that will help me keep my bandwidth usage in reason and limits of the hosting providers). Is that possible?
Sure, just put them on your page.
4. A lot of software in the main DVD is not really useful to many people. for example, not everybody is interested in learning how to be a CELL developer or such thing. Instead of that you could provide more usefull and demanded software like compiz-fusion and google earth? Those which are less used, can always be there in the online repos.
You should discuss this on the -factory mailing list. Best with some concrete examples to change ;)
5. I know it is not really easy to do it. but can yast be like apt-get? Or at least you can improve upon 'smart' and add it in the default DVDs.
Do you know zypper ? Btw the whole package management will be fast like hell in the next 11.0 alpha release ... -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org
Vaibhav Kaushal escribió:
1. The YaST must refresh the repositories only if new additions have been done to the repository. So you may maintain a LAST UPDATE DATE / TIME for each repository. That will seriously help us people with lower bandwidth.
That's the way it works already .. why you think it doesnt ? -- "Morality is merely an interpretation of certain phenomena — more precisely, a misinterpretation." - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org
On 2/25/2008 at 21:09, Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez@suse.de> wrote: Vaibhav Kaushal escribió:
1. The YaST must refresh the repositories only if new additions have been done to the repository. So you may maintain a LAST UPDATE DATE / TIME for each repository. That will seriously help us people with lower bandwidth.
That's the way it works already .. why you think it doesnt ?
Probably because PM is one of the repos in the list... and as we all know, you can close to never start yast without an update of that repo ;) They are just to active there. Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org
Hi Vaibhav, Am Montag, 25. Februar 2008 schrieb Vaibhav Kaushal:
2. I am a student and I see that most of my friends do not run the Linux system just because they think that it is too geeky to run that or that it is really difficult. I know the friendliness of the system is more than Windows, just that the rules are diff. But, I just wanted if there could be a new 'STUDENT EDITION" of the distro in its new avtars. The reason is: they want to use linux for the college classes and such stuff. So, instead of pushing in much applications, why don't you create a new edition of the Distro with the shell tools available ion that. Such as gcc, make, dos2unix etc are missing in the CD versions. So you can just put in more and more shell tools and reduce on some of the messengers, browsers and photo management things. Anyway those tools are not used much by the students new to Linux. So that could be packed into one edition called as *student edition*.
This is a fine use case for kiwi, as Francis already mentioned. You can make your own distribution with only the tools you need and leave evertything else behind (since you are the one who knows). You can use a mounted DVD as base repository so you can build your image with no network usage at all. If you install kiwi, you'll find some examples with it; one for a basic system with KDE, and one other for a very small image. The latter has a lot of code showing what you can do to get rid of things that are installed by some packages but you don't need. Kiwi also offers tons of deployment technology; you can use a live system, but I guess an USB live system sounds much better for your use case since you can carry your code with you. Please use kiwi from here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/<your distro> Alternatively you could use the YaST2 Product Creator which is a comfortable front end. You can't do all the tweaks, but it's more intuitive. Did you already subscribe to the kiwi mailing list? cheers, Jan -- Jan-Christoph Bornschlegel (Build Service Team) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- No music playing at present. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org
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