On Thursday 26 May 2011 12:25:23 peer wrote:

On 05/26/2011 11:18 AM, Claudio Freire wrote:

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On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Since these are anyway a moving target, what about if you Debian/Ubuntu builder people found a project, let's say Debian:Support where you maintain such packages and build for all (needed) Debian and Ubuntu distros.

So you can have a common pool for such packages and you do not rely on me personally.

I would create such a project and hand over to you, if let's say at least three persons are willing to work on that.

does this sound like a plan ?

Yep, that sounds perfect

Sounds like a unpractical and cumbersome solution to me. Maybe I am missing something, but why not enable 'universe' (as an option) as default? Just as Adrian said, currently we're not allowed to host _all_ content that is in Ubuntu's universe/multiverse repositories, mainly due to license and patent issues. That's essentially the same reason why we're not hosting rpmfusion for Fedora.

Until the OBS is hostet in a country where this doesn't matter we're bound to german law. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Sascha Peilicke http://saschpe.wordpress.com

Am Thursday, 26. May 2011, 12:45:45 schrieb peer:

On 05/26/2011 12:36 PM, Sascha Peilicke wrote:

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On Thursday 26 May 2011 12:25:23 peer wrote:

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On 05/26/2011 11:18 AM, Claudio Freire wrote:

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On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Since these are anyway a moving target, what about if you Debian/Ubuntu builder people found a project, let's say Debian:Support where you maintain such packages and build for all (needed) Debian and Ubuntu distros.

So you can have a common pool for such packages and you do not rely on me personally.

I would create such a project and hand over to you, if let's say at least three persons are willing to work on that.

does this sound like a plan ? Yep, that sounds perfect Sounds like a unpractical and cumbersome solution to me. Maybe I am missing something, but why not enable 'universe' (as an option) as default? Just as Adrian said, currently we're not allowed to host _all_ content that is in Ubuntu's universe/multiverse repositories, mainly due to license and patent issues. That's essentially the same reason why we're not hosting rpmfusion for Fedora.

Until the OBS is hostet in a country where this doesn't matter we're bound to german law. I understand that multiverse is a problem. But why universe, that is all free software.

The last time I checked it contained definitive some packages part of our black list (containg ffmpeg inside of the application and so on). ALso, it was a moving target. I will not import such a repo binary wise, because I would need permanently updating it. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adrian@suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

On 26/05/11 12:59, peer wrote:

On 05/26/2011 01:35 PM, Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Am Thursday, 26. May 2011, 12:45:45 schrieb peer:

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On 05/26/2011 12:36 PM, Sascha Peilicke wrote:

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On Thursday 26 May 2011 12:25:23 peer wrote:

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On 05/26/2011 11:18 AM, Claudio Freire wrote:

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On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Adrian Schröter wrote: > Since these are anyway a moving target, what about if you > Debian/Ubuntu > builder people found a project, let's say Debian:Support where you > maintain such packages and build for all (needed) Debian and Ubuntu > distros. > > So you can have a common pool for such packages and you do not > rely on > me personally. > > I would create such a project and hand over to you, if let's say at > least three persons are willing to work on that. > > does this sound like a plan ? Yep, that sounds perfect Sounds like a unpractical and cumbersome solution to me. Maybe I am missing something, but why not enable 'universe' (as an option) as default? Just as Adrian said, currently we're not allowed to host _all_ content that is in Ubuntu's universe/multiverse repositories, mainly due to license and patent issues. That's essentially the same reason why we're not hosting rpmfusion for Fedora.

Until the OBS is hostet in a country where this doesn't matter we're bound to german law. I understand that multiverse is a problem. But why universe, that is all free software. The last time I checked it contained definitive some packages part of our black list (containg ffmpeg inside of the application and so on). Could you be more precise here? Which packages are you talking about?

ffmpeg, mplayer, mostly media codec related stuff that have possible patent threats hanging over them. Even though they are "free software" they are of dubious legality.

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ALso, it was a moving target. I will not import such a repo binary wise, because I would need permanently updating it. Such repo's gets updates automatically right?

You seem to be misunderstanding something ... all the repos available on the OBS are *manually* imported complete mirrors of the external packages, not just links. Adrian has to make an internal copy of all the packages himself. There is currently no automatic import or synchronization with external repos (though it is a feature the OBS would like to have, and I hope someone picks up -- though there would be bandwidth and disk space considerations). Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

On 05/26/2011 03:09 PM, Adrian Schröter wrote:

Am Thursday, 26. May 2011, 13:59:42 schrieb peer:

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On 05/26/2011 01:35 PM, Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Am Thursday, 26. May 2011, 12:45:45 schrieb peer:

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On 05/26/2011 12:36 PM, Sascha Peilicke wrote:

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On Thursday 26 May 2011 12:25:23 peer wrote:

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On 05/26/2011 11:18 AM, Claudio Freire wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Adrian Schröter wrote: >> Since these are anyway a moving target, what about if you Debian/Ubuntu >> builder people found a project, let's say Debian:Support where you >> maintain such packages and build for all (needed) Debian and Ubuntu >> distros. >> >> So you can have a common pool for such packages and you do not rely on >> me personally. >> >> I would create such a project and hand over to you, if let's say at >> least three persons are willing to work on that. >> >> does this sound like a plan ? > Yep, that sounds perfect Sounds like a unpractical and cumbersome solution to me. Maybe I am missing something, but why not enable 'universe' (as an option) as default? Just as Adrian said, currently we're not allowed to host _all_ content that is in Ubuntu's universe/multiverse repositories, mainly due to license and patent issues. That's essentially the same reason why we're not hosting rpmfusion for Fedora.

Until the OBS is hostet in a country where this doesn't matter we're bound to german law. I understand that multiverse is a problem. But why universe, that is all free software. The last time I checked it contained definitive some packages part of our black list (containg ffmpeg inside of the application and so on). Could you be more precise here? Which packages are you talking about? No, it takes time to review these packages and fidn out these details. And I just don't have the time.

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ALso, it was a moving target. I will not import such a repo binary wise, because I would need permanently updating it. Such repo's gets updates automatically right? No. We offer a service for reproducable builds. permanent updating ground packages would conflict with that.

Also our goal is not provide pure-ubuntu pakcagers a better base for pure-ubuntu. Our goal is to build communities around certain packages so that we join forces for all distributions.

If you like OBS and want pure-ubuntu with universe, please install your own OBS instance. It is free software. Big bummer...

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On 05/27/2011 12:42 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

On Friday 27 May 2011 10:09:24 peer wrote:

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On 05/26/2011 03:09 PM, Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Am Thursday, 26. May 2011, 13:59:42 schrieb peer:

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On 05/26/2011 01:35 PM, Adrian Schröter wrote:

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Am Thursday, 26. May 2011, 12:45:45 schrieb peer:

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On 05/26/2011 12:36 PM, Sascha Peilicke wrote: > On Thursday 26 May 2011 12:25:23 peer wrote: >> On 05/26/2011 11:18 AM, Claudio Freire wrote: >>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Adrian Schröter wrote: >>>> Since these are anyway a moving target, what about if you >>>> Debian/Ubuntu builder people found a project, let's say >>>> Debian:Support where you maintain such packages and build for all >>>> (needed) Debian and Ubuntu distros. >>>> >>>> So you can have a common pool for such packages and you do not >>>> rely on me personally. >>>> >>>> I would create such a project and hand over to you, if let's say >>>> at least three persons are willing to work on that. >>>> >>>> does this sound like a plan ? >>> Yep, that sounds perfect >> Sounds like a unpractical and cumbersome solution to me. Maybe I am >> missing something, but why not enable 'universe' (as an option) as >> default? > Just as Adrian said, currently we're not allowed to host _all_ > content that is in Ubuntu's universe/multiverse repositories, mainly > due to license and patent issues. That's essentially the same reason > why we're not hosting rpmfusion for Fedora. > > Until the OBS is hostet in a country where this doesn't matter we're > bound to german law. I understand that multiverse is a problem. But why universe, that is all free software. The last time I checked it contained definitive some packages part of our black list (containg ffmpeg inside of the application and so on). Could you be more precise here? Which packages are you talking about? No, it takes time to review these packages and fidn out these details. And I just don't have the time.

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ALso, it was a moving target. I will not import such a repo binary wise, because I would need permanently updating it. Such repo's gets updates automatically right? No. We offer a service for reproducable builds. permanent updating ground packages would conflict with that.

Also our goal is not provide pure-ubuntu pakcagers a better base for pure-ubuntu. Our goal is to build communities around certain packages so that we join forces for all distributions.

If you like OBS and want pure-ubuntu with universe, please install your own OBS instance. It is free software. Big bummer... Well, as Texas said, there might be ways around that. Like developing a way for OBS to be able to pull in packages from an external repo. But that simply needs someone to write that functionality. And we'd need to figure out what to do with the bandwith costs, as they'd be HUGE...

So, I'm sure Adrian would love for OBS to be everyting to everyone but we simply have to limit our scope to reality. Even a code $DEITY like him can't bend steel with his bare hands. Well, OK, he probably can, but even that is not enough sometimes ;-) I'm looking forward to see progression here. At least Launchpad found a way to offer 'Universe' repos and more ... ;)

Good luck. ~P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org