On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:10:55 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: <snip>

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This is a proposal that actually has been brought up before in some marketing discussions.  I strongly believe we need to change the name openSUSE Build Service to Open Build Service because from a marketing perspective it is a lot easier to sell OBS.  OBS is a tool that is not limited to openSUSE and thus it should not have a name that limits public perception in that way.   Open Build Service (powered by the openSUSE Project) has a better chance at larger adoption.

Those of us who discussed it decided to hold off a few months at the time because we didn't want to rock the boat and there were other things happening.  But now I believe the momentum is right for the name change. We're really starting to build up on the fact that "openSUSE" is not a distribution but a Project, and that you can participate and benefit from the Project without even using the distro.  This is what we're really here for, to create a community that can collaborate across borders and provide services that do not limit you to the use of the distribution itself.

Yup! At the conference I got several people interested in OBS by stating that very clearly: "I don't care if you use Fedora or Ubuntu, OBS is interesting for you because it builds packages for all distro's!" "oh, really, does it? It's not just for openSUSE?" "No, OBS is cross-distribution. MeeGo uses it, so does VLC to build packages for all distro's"

== a small technical glitch If you really want OBS to attract cross platform developers of small packages, you need to allow a package to have more control of its build targets. I'll use my trivial open2300 package as an example again. In my home project, I control the repos, so I can build for any of the supported targets. But I submitted it to the Hardware devel project a couple months ago. That project only builds for openSUSE and SLE. As far as I know, there is nothing I can do about that. So non-openSUSE users that might come looking for it at OBS have to search home directories if they want to find it. I was actually pretty disappointed to realize that, and it made OBS feel much less open to me. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Stephan Kleine wrote:

On Wednesday February 2 2011 23:01:03 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:10:55 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: <snip>

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This is a proposal that actually has been brought up before in some marketing discussions.  I strongly believe we need to change the name openSUSE Build Service to Open Build Service because from a marketing perspective it is a lot easier to sell OBS.  OBS is a tool that is not limited to openSUSE and thus it should not have a name that limits public perception in that way.   Open Build Service (powered by the openSUSE Project) has a better chance at larger adoption.

Those of us who discussed it decided to hold off a few months at the time because we didn't want to rock the boat and there were other things happening.  But now I believe the momentum is right for the name change. We're really starting to build up on the fact that "openSUSE" is not a distribution but a Project, and that you can participate and benefit from the Project without even using the distro.  This is what we're really here for, to create a community that can collaborate across borders and provide services that do not limit you to the use of the distribution itself.

Yup! At the conference I got several people interested in OBS by stating that very clearly: "I don't care if you use Fedora or Ubuntu, OBS is interesting for you because it builds packages for all distro's!" "oh, really, does it? It's not just for openSUSE?" "No, OBS is cross-distribution. MeeGo uses it, so does VLC to build packages for all distro's"

== a small technical glitch

If you really want OBS to attract cross platform developers of small packages, you need to allow a package to have more control of its build targets.

I'll use my trivial open2300 package as an example again.  In my home project, I control the repos, so I can build for any of the supported targets.

But I submitted it to the Hardware devel project a couple months ago. That project only builds for openSUSE and SLE.

As far as I know, there is nothing I can do about that.  So non-openSUSE users that might come looking for it at OBS have to search home directories if they want to find it.

I was actually pretty disappointed to realize that, and it made OBS feel much less open to me.

So simply ask one of the maintainers of that hardware devel repo to enable whatever other distro you want to build it for - e.g. you can disable building by default for any non suse distro at project level and enable what you want on package level. This way no build power gets wasted and you still are able to build for whatever you like.

regards, Stephan

From a generic perspective, maybe my request to this list becomes that all projects have all currently non-available repos added, but with

That's nice to know. I'll give it a shot. the build disabled by default. I'm not sure what that would look like for the individual packages that don't use the disabled repos. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice+help@opensuse.org