hi, on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces. It was started by looking for the right place for a php project. we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed projects in that namespace we see: server:apache (the former Apache project) server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there) server:ftp server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php package) server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) ) It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter nixon has some packages in that area iirc. :) The jpackage projects are moved into the Java: namespace. Some people might ask: why dont you just move php into the apache project. The answer is pretty short: Because it makes its impossible to build newer php against older apache versions. with the new layout we can add server:apache:<somedist> as build target to the php project aswell as the plain suse distros. :) So in long term i would suggest to join such logical project instead of having multiple "mixed purpose projects". if you want to add a package to such a project please contact the project owner on this list. keep up the good work everyone darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org
On Tue 30 May 2006 17:58, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project. we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed projects in that namespace we see: server:apache (the former Apache project) server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there) server:ftp server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php package) server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
Oh goody. I was about to add pdns to my project, but it looks like you saved me the trouble :-)
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter nixon has some packages in that area iirc. :)
I am glad someone noticed! *grin* I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!) I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am willing to go with consensus here... On another note, how on earth do I add a project to "my projects"?? I dont see anywhere to tick/click/bash... I also don't appear to have permission to allow others to help out with my project...
The jpackage projects are moved into the Java: namespace.
Some people might ask: why dont you just move php into the apache project. The answer is pretty short: Because it makes its impossible to build newer php against older apache versions. with the new layout we can add server:apache:<somedist> as build target to the php project aswell as the plain suse distros. :)
So in long term i would suggest to join such logical project instead of having multiple "mixed purpose projects". if you want to add a package to such a project please contact the project owner on this list.
keep up the good work everyone
Speaking of namespaces, who do we have to kill to get packages/projects/widgets sorted in alphabetical order? I have >20 packages in my project and its getting hard to find the correct one at a glance. The project situation is even worse, being spread out across multiple pages... -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc
On Tuesday, 30. May 2006 17:31, Peter Nixon wrote:
On another note, how on earth do I add a project to "my projects"?? I dont see anywhere to tick/click/bash...
The final intention of the My Projects page is to show all projects you're somehow involved in. This would happen automatically, but requires the API to support some kind of queries, which it currently doesn't. The 'Watch this project' link became broken with the last update without us noticing. It will reappear with the next update, which will very likely be tomorrow around 11:00 AM CET. -- Andreas Bauer - Novell - SUSE Internal Tools
On Tue 30 May 2006 18:31, Peter Nixon wrote:
On Tue 30 May 2006 17:58, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project. we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed projects in that namespace we see: server:apache (the former Apache project) server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there) server:ftp server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php package) server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
Oh goody. I was about to add pdns to my project, but it looks like you saved me the trouble :-)
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter nixon has some packages in that area iirc. :)
I am glad someone noticed! *grin*
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!) I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am willing to go with consensus here...
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some packages over there. Cheers -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 10:16, schreef Peter Nixon:
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!) I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am willing to go with consensus here...
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some packages over there.
Is a column in the name desired? I read that rsync does not like it, see: <quote> That said, from the looks of it, putting a colon in a file path seems to trip up rsync somehow (unless I did not yet find a solution). The gwdg rsync server keeps maintaining the position that the service is unavailable as soon as I want to retreive files from the new KDE: repository on their OpenSUSE mirror... :-( update --- OK, Not killed. But by moving it to a new structure they broke my stuff. Bad. Thanks for lurchi pointing out that the colon can be replaced by a '?'-wildcard to make rsyncing work again... </quote> http://braincore.blogspot.com/2006/06/wtf-pee-ooh-d.html Well, it doesn't make things easier. Why not just use a "_" e.g.? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 11:30, Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 10:16, schreef Peter Nixon:
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!) I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am willing to go with consensus here...
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some packages over there.
Is a column in the name desired? I read that rsync does not like it, see:
Well, The namespace was not defined by me :-)
<quote> That said, from the looks of it, putting a colon in a file path seems to trip up rsync somehow (unless I did not yet find a solution). The gwdg rsync server keeps maintaining the position that the service is unavailable as soon as I want to retreive files from the new KDE: repository on their OpenSUSE mirror... :-( update --- OK, Not killed. But by moving it to a new structure they broke my stuff. Bad. Thanks for lurchi pointing out that the colon can be replaced by a '?'-wildcard to make rsyncing work again... </quote> http://braincore.blogspot.com/2006/06/wtf-pee-ooh-d.html
Well, it doesn't make things easier. Why not just use a "_" e.g.?
Yes. You are right, some of the forms of rsync commands no longer work, and it took me a little while to figure out what did, but I am having no problems with: rsync repos.opensuse.org::buildservice-repos/home:/peternixon/SL-10.1/ Cheers -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc
Am Monday 05 June 2006 10:16 schrieb Peter Nixon:
On Tue 30 May 2006 18:31, Peter Nixon wrote:
On Tue 30 May 2006 17:58, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project. we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed projects in that namespace we see: server:apache (the former Apache project) server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there) server:ftp server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php package) server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
Oh goody. I was about to add pdns to my project, but it looks like you saved me the trouble :-)
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter nixon has some packages in that area iirc. :)
I am glad someone noticed! *grin*
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!) I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am willing to go with consensus here...
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some packages over there.
The will need ACL permissions in future. ATM everything can be created by everybody (one reason why we do not open it to the public atm). So please ask first on this list, if you want to create new top level namespaces, before you do it. Feel free to mess around under your home: namespace ;) thanks adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 13:03, Adrian Schröter wrote:
Am Monday 05 June 2006 10:16 schrieb Peter Nixon:
On Tue 30 May 2006 18:31, Peter Nixon wrote:
On Tue 30 May 2006 17:58, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project. we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed projects in that namespace we see: server:apache (the former Apache project) server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there) server:ftp server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php package) server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
Oh goody. I was about to add pdns to my project, but it looks like you saved me the trouble :-)
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter nixon has some packages in that area iirc. :)
I am glad someone noticed! *grin*
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!) I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am willing to go with consensus here...
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some packages over there.
The will need ACL permissions in future. ATM everything can be created by everybody (one reason why we do not open it to the public atm).
So please ask first on this list, if you want to create new top level namespaces, before you do it. Feel free to mess around under your home: namespace ;)
So should I create a server:telephony project? -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :) -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 19:02, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like rsync.... -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On 2006-06-05 19:14:12 +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 19:02, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like rsync....
of course we will fsck the mirrors again. especially with KDE:. do we really want it? darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 19:27, schreef u:
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like rsync....
of course we will fsck the mirrors again. especially with KDE:. do we really want it?
That's an 1 time occurence. Keeping the ":" will give difficulties for a long time... -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On 2006-06-05 20:07:38 +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 19:27, schreef u:
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like rsync....
of course we will fsck the mirrors again. especially with KDE:. do we really want it?
That's an 1 time occurence. Keeping the ":" will give difficulties for a long time...
peter nixon reported it is working for him. could you give some examples which no longer work? darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 20:15, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
That's an 1 time occurence. Keeping the ":" will give difficulties for a long time...
peter nixon reported it is working for him. could you give some examples which no longer work?
No, I can't. Peter stated: Op maandag 5 juni 2006 10:35, schreef Peter Nixon:
Yes. You are right, some of the forms of rsync commands no longer work, and it took me a little while to figure out what did, but I am having no problems with:
rsync repos.opensuse.org::buildservice-repos/home:/peternixon/SL-10.1/
Wouldn't that put a burden on the mirror admins, to find the right rsync options (although the one above looks obvious enough to me). I think that this should be looked at. That's why we use the buildserver (still alpha). When the buildserver is released and fully operational, it is not possible to change it anymore (or it least much more difficult). -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, Richard Bos wrote:
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like rsync....
I agree that we should try to avoid as many problems we can by choosing a neutral namespace separator for the project names. Alternatives to ":" could be the already mentioned "_" or "+" or possibly "." or "-". Looking at the current project names only "+" wouldn't need any changes to existing project names. So what do you like better (using four existing projects as examples and making character replacements where required): ":": SUSE:SL-10.1 server:isc-dhcp GStreamer_010 Fedora:Core4 "_": SUSE_SL-10.1 server_isc-dhcp GStreamer-010 Fedora_Core4 "+": SUSE+SL-10.1 server+isc-dhcp GStreamer_010 Fedora+Core4 ".": SUSE.SL-10_1 server.isc-dhcp GStreamer_010 Fedora.Core4 "-": SUSE-SL_10.1 server-isc_dhcp GStreamer_010 Fedora-Core4 Any other suggestions? -- Cornelius Schumacher <cschum@suse.de> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On 2006-06-05 20:52:23 +0200, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, Richard Bos wrote:
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like rsync....
I agree that we should try to avoid as many problems we can by choosing a neutral namespace separator for the project names. Alternatives to ":" could be the already mentioned "_" or "+" or possibly "." or "-". Looking at the current project names only "+" wouldn't need any changes to existing project names.
So what do you like better (using four existing projects as examples and making character replacements where required):
we should define some rules that ban the seperator from package names aswell. and that will be hard. in that regard ":" was good. as projects barely use it in their names, unlike "_", "-" or "+". (the plus sign is forbidden by the buildserivce atm anyway.) i wonder if we just should force ns/project/package and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker anyway i think if rsync fells over the 2nd ":" in the url it is definitely a sign for a broken url parser in rsync. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
+1 -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
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Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
+1
+1 - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEhJPar3NMWliFcXcRAt6QAKCg8/5oqRPFvlItUA7VvxMA4BvbYACfQLrx BWyxAdmbr2OIdEU31lNbyJE= =Ha2J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On 2006-06-05 22:28:10 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
+1
before you all +1 this too much i wonder why we didnt get any complains on sub namespaces. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 22:28:10 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker +1
before you all +1 this too much i wonder why we didnt get any complains on sub namespaces.
Maybe because it wasn't even discussed in the first place. I just started using BS repos since KDE:KDE3 is hosted there. I don't use rsync for BS repos myself, and smart handles the ":" without problems, but just using "/" seems a lot more natural to me. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser@skynet.be> <guru@unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEhJYbr3NMWliFcXcRAkf2AKCyVJWe4WCqCRC3EF1xfDMhhIsuogCgl6LI +JjFSFzDIFfaH5KDVkgrCrU= =nCE4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Pascal Bleser wrote: [...]
I don't use rsync for BS repos myself, and smart handles the ":" without problems, but just using "/" seems a lot more natural to me.
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Am Monday 05 June 2006 21:58 schrieb Richard Bos:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
That is what the home:<user> namespace is for. Everything outside of that should need an approvement in future. We spoke about namespace owners, who can do that. So it is not a single person, but different persons for each namespace. However, we do not have this yet ... bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 21:10 +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 20:52:23 +0200, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, Richard Bos wrote:
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like rsync....
I agree that we should try to avoid as many problems we can by choosing a neutral namespace separator for the project names. Alternatives to ":" could be the already mentioned "_" or "+" or possibly "." or "-". Looking at the current project names only "+" wouldn't need any changes to existing project names.
So what do you like better (using four existing projects as examples and making character replacements where required):
we should define some rules that ban the seperator from package names aswell. and that will be hard. in that regard ":" was good. as projects barely use it in their names, unlike "_", "-" or "+". (the plus sign is forbidden by the buildserivce atm anyway.)
Speaking about it, i tried uploading gtk+-2.8.18.tar.gz2 and the filename always get cropped to just gtk, those namespace thingy or whatever are really gonna be annoying if you use common char... what about ~
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
anyway i think if rsync fells over the 2nd ":" in the url it is definitely a sign for a broken url parser in rsync.
darix
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On 2006-06-05 23:58:53 -0400, Jonh Arson wrote:
Speaking about it, i tried uploading gtk+-2.8.18.tar.gz2 and the filename always get cropped to just gtk, those namespace thingy or whatever are really gonna be annoying if you use common char... what about ~
this is a bug. it is not related to this discussion. we are already investigating it. i hope in the long term the gnome team will join the build service. and you can just build against their targets. than you dont have to maintain your own gnome. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
If I'm understanding you correctly, you are proposing to push all packages into "unsorted", as long as they don't belong to a namespace? So, with that, the only way to access $package would be to access unsorted or the corresponding namespace from $package_manager? If that's the case, I'd strongly disagree with this proposal. Without a proper trust model in place, this would make it virtually impossible to choose $packager (or $group_of_packagers) you like to trust. Regards Christoph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On 2006-06-06 09:13:04 +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote:
If I'm understanding you correctly, you are proposing to push all packages into "unsorted", as long as they don't belong to a namespace? So, with that, the only way to access $package would be to access unsorted or the corresponding namespace from $package_manager? If that's the case, I'd strongly disagree with this proposal. Without a proper trust model in place, this would make it virtually impossible to choose $packager (or $group_of_packagers) you like to trust.
it would be unsorted/project/package. and i dont like that solution much. as i said in another having a way to define subnamespaces would be nice to have. any suggestions? darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 09:10:07PM +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
we should define some rules that ban the seperator from package names aswell. and that will be hard. in that regard ":" was good. as projects barely use it in their names, unlike "_", "-" or "+". (the plus sign is forbidden by the buildserivce atm anyway.)
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
No, a fixes hierarchy makes no sense. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);} --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:58:20AM +0200, Michael Schroeder wrote:
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 09:10:07PM +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
we should define some rules that ban the seperator from package names aswell. and that will be hard. in that regard ":" was good. as projects barely use it in their names, unlike "_", "-" or "+". (the plus sign is forbidden by the buildserivce atm anyway.)
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
No, a fixes hierarchy makes no sense.
To followup on my own mail, here are the requirements for the repository pathes: 1) must support arbitrary deep hierarchies for projects 2) must support arbitrary deep hierarchies for repositories The idea behind this is to allow project maintainers to create new projects in a sub hierarchy. For example, the "KDE:KDE3" maintainers should be able to create a "KDE:KDE3:AMAROK" subproject. Or the maintainer of "home:mls" should be able to create "home:mls:fancyproj". So in short, the buildservice maintainers only have an eye on the "top level" projects, everything else is done via the normal project permissions. 3) must be collision free If we would just use '/' as a hierarchiy seperator, we would get in trouble when there is a name clash with a repository. For example a project "KDE/KDE3/SL10" might clash with a repository "SL10" in "KDE/KDE3". The same is true for clashes between the repository and the real repository, i.e. "repodata", "i586" and the like. 4) it should be possible to rsync a project without loading down all projects in a lower hierarchy. This is also hard with simple slashes, because the KDE/KDE3 also includes KDE/KDE3/AMAROK. We us a simple conversion of ':' to ':/' for now, I admit this is a kind of a hack, but it meets the requirements. If anybody comes up with something more elegant, please speak up. We can still change the design, nothing is set to stone at the moment. Thanks, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);} --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Dienstag, 6. Juni 2006 19:14 schrieb Michael Schroeder: [...]
To followup on my own mail, here are the requirements for the repository pathes:
1) must support arbitrary deep hierarchies for projects 2) must support arbitrary deep hierarchies for repositories 3) must be collision free 4) it should be possible to rsync a project without loading down all projects in a lower hierarchy. This is also hard with simple slashes, because the KDE/KDE3 also includes KDE/KDE3/AMAROK.
I have two ideas: a) the way several directories in /etc are done: KDE - main project KDE.d/newstuff - sub project "newstuff" KDE.d/newstuff.d/amarok - sub-sub project "amarok" in "newstuff" This would forbid (sub)projects named "*.d" - I currently don't know a project or software that would suffer from this restriction. Advantage (maybe): project and sub-project are clearly separated Disadvantage (maybe): project and sub-project live in different directories, it's harder than b) to mirror them together b) KDE/_packages - main project KDE/newstuff/_packages - sub project KDE/newstuff/amarok/_packages - sub-sub project This would forbid subprojects named "_packages" - since I don't think "_packages" is a useful project name, I don't see a problem here too ;-) Advantage: you can easily mirror a project with all sub-projects AND can easily mirror a project without sub-projects (mirror "_packages") The directory name also looks better ;-) Disadvantage: one more directory level BTW: You can replace "_packages" with any other name if you want. However, you should make sure that it is sorted to the first position in directory listings (that's one reason for the underscore ;-) I would prefer b) - IMHO it's a clear advantage if a project and its sub-projects are grouped in one directory. That said, everything is bettar than the ":". rsync was already listed as example, scp isn't any better ("scp KDE:/something target" - does KDE mean the machine or the directory here?) Please also avoid other characters that have special meanings in URLs or the shell (like ?*&+"'[](){};<>| etc.) Or set up a "BOFH " project to ensure people always use correct shell quoting ;-) ^ intentional *eg*
We can still change the design, nothing is set to stone at the moment.
But you should at least add a symlink for KDE: and other projects from supplementary. People were already annoyed after it was moved to the buildservice - they will _really_ be annoyed if the URL changes again ;-) (unfortunately, the namespace discussion came up too late :-( ) Regards, Christian Boltz -- PATH="${HOME}/Oktoberfest 2003:$PATH" configure '--prefix=Auf geht\'s' [Ralf Corsepius in suse-programming] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the option to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway) Cheers -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc
On 2006-06-05 20:44:22 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:44:22 +0300 From: Peter Nixon <listuser@peternixon.net> Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces To: opensuse-buildservice@opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the option to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway)
http://build.opensuse.org/project/new and name it server:telephony. [done] darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:50, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 20:44:22 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:44:22 +0300 From: Peter Nixon <listuser@peternixon.net> Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces To: opensuse-buildservice@opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the option to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway)
http://build.opensuse.org/project/new and name it server:telephony. [done]
Ahhh. Thanks. It only shows up under: http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_all but not under http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_public Obviously I didnt look hard enough :-) Cheers -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 21:46, Peter Nixon wrote:
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:50, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 20:44:22 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:44:22 +0300 From: Peter Nixon <listuser@peternixon.net> Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces To: opensuse-buildservice@opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the option to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway)
http://build.opensuse.org/project/new and name it server:telephony. [done]
Ahhh. Thanks. It only shows up under:
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_all
but not under
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_public
Obviously I didnt look hard enough :-)
OK. I have created a "server:telephony" project. Can an admin please delete the "telephony" project? -- Peter Nixon http://www.peternixon.net/ PGP Key: http://www.peternixon.net/public.asc
Am Monday 05 June 2006 21:12 schrieb Peter Nixon:
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 21:46, Peter Nixon wrote:
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:50, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 20:44:22 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:44:22 +0300 From: Peter Nixon <listuser@peternixon.net> Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces To: opensuse-buildservice@opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the option to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway)
http://build.opensuse.org/project/new and name it server:telephony. [done]
Ahhh. Thanks. It only shows up under:
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_all
but not under
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_public
Obviously I didnt look hard enough :-)
OK. I have created a "server:telephony" project. Can an admin please delete the "telephony" project?
done -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
Hi, Am Tue, 30 May 2006 16:58:10 +0200 schrieb Marcus Rueckert <mrueckert@suse.de>:
hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project. we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed projects in that namespace we see: server:apache (the former Apache project) server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there) server:ftp server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php package) server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter nixon has some packages in that area iirc. :)
What about server:groupware? Kolab, Open-XChange (are there more?) could be moved there. Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-buildservice-help@opensuse.org
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Adrian Schröter -
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Christian Boltz -
Christoph Thiel -
Cornelius Schumacher -
Jonh Arson -
Marcus Hüwe -
Marcus Rueckert -
Michael Schroeder -
Pascal Bleser -
Peter Nixon -
Richard Bos