30 May
2006
30 May
'06
14:58
hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project.
we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed
projects in that namespace we see:
server:apache (the former Apache project)
server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there)
server:ftp
server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php
package)
server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the
bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter nixon has some
packages in that area iirc. :)
The jpackage projects are moved into the Java: namespace.
Some people might ask: why dont you just move php into the apache
project.
The answer is pretty short: Because it makes its impossible to build
newer php against older apache versions. with the new layout we can add
server:apache:<somedist> as build target to the php project aswell as
the plain suse distros. :)
So in long term i would suggest to join such logical project instead of
having multiple "mixed purpose projects". if you want to add a package
to such a project please contact the project owner on this list.
keep up the good work everyone
darix
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30 May
15:31
On Tue 30 May 2006 17:58, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project.
we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed
projects in that namespace we see:
server:apache (the former Apache project)
server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there)
server:ftp
server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php
package)
server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the
bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
Oh goody. I was about to add pdns to my project, but it looks like you saved
me the trouble :-)
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter
nixon has some
packages in that area iirc. :)
I am glad someone noticed! *grin*
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would be
happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!)
I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am willing
to go with consensus here...
On another note, how on earth do I add a project to "my projects"?? I dont see
anywhere to tick/click/bash...
I also don't appear to have permission to allow others to help out with my
project...
The jpackage projects are moved into the Java:
namespace.
Some people might ask: why dont you just move php into the apache
project.
The answer is pretty short: Because it makes its impossible to build
newer php against older apache versions. with the new layout we can add
server:apache:<somedist> as build target to the php project aswell as
the plain suse distros. :)
So in long term i would suggest to join such logical project instead of
having multiple "mixed purpose projects". if you want to add a package
to such a project please contact the project owner on this list.
keep up the good work everyone
Speaking of namespaces, who do we have to kill to get
packages/projects/widgets sorted in alphabetical order? I have >20 packages
in my project and its getting hard to find the correct one at a glance. The
project situation is even worse, being spread out across multiple pages...
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17:04
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Tuesday, 30. May 2006 17:31, Peter Nixon wrote:
On another note, how on earth do I add a project to "my projects"?? I dont
see anywhere to tick/click/bash...
The final intention of the My Projects page is to show all projects you're
somehow involved in. This would happen automatically, but requires the API to
support some kind of queries, which it currently doesn't.
The 'Watch this project' link became broken with the last update without us
noticing. It will reappear with the next update, which will very likely be
tomorrow around 11:00 AM CET.
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17:37
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Namespaces
Hi,
Am Tue, 30 May 2006 16:58:10 +0200
schrieb Marcus Rueckert <mrueckert(a)suse.de>de>:
hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project.
we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed
projects in that namespace we see:
server:apache (the former Apache project)
server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there)
server:ftp
server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php
package)
server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe
the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell. peter nixon has some
packages in that area iirc. :)
What about server:groupware?
Kolab, Open-XChange (are there more?) could be moved there.
Marcus
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08:16
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Tue 30 May 2006 18:31, Peter Nixon wrote:
On Tue 30 May 2006 17:58, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from the
web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or server:telephony
and give me access to it I would be happy to move some packages over there.
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hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project.
we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed
projects in that namespace we see:
server:apache (the former Apache project)
server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there)
server:ftp
server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php
package)
server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe the
bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
Oh goody. I was about to add pdns to my project, but it looks like you
saved me the trouble :-)
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell.
peter nixon has some
packages in that area iirc. :)
I am glad someone noticed! *grin*
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would
be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!) I
think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am willing
to go with consensus here... 
08:30
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 10:16, schreef Peter Nixon:
Is a column in the name desired? I read that rsync does not like it, see:
<quote>
That said, from the looks of it, putting a colon in a file path seems to trip
up rsync somehow (unless I did not yet find a solution). The gwdg rsync
server keeps maintaining the position that the service is unavailable as soon
as I want to retreive files from the new KDE: repository on their OpenSUSE
mirror... :-(
update --- OK, Not killed. But by moving it to a new structure they broke my
stuff. Bad. Thanks for lurchi pointing out that the colon can be replaced by
a '?'-wildcard to make rsyncing work again...
</quote>
http://braincore.blogspot.com/2006/06/wtf-pee-ooh-d.html
Well, it doesn't make things easier. Why not just use a "_" e.g.?
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I already
created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would
be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!)
I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am
willing to go with consensus here...
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from
the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or
server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some
packages over there.
08:35
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 11:30, Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 10:16, schreef Peter Nixon:
Is a column in the name desired? I read that rsync does not like it, see:
Well, The namespace was not defined by me :-)
I already
created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but
would be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for
wimps!) I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but
I am willing to go with consensus here...
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from
the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or
server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some
packages over there. <quote>
That said, from the looks of it, putting a colon in a file path seems to
trip up rsync somehow (unless I did not yet find a solution). The gwdg
rsync server keeps maintaining the position that the service is unavailable
as soon as I want to retreive files from the new KDE: repository on their
OpenSUSE mirror... :-(
update --- OK, Not killed. But by moving it to a new structure they broke
my stuff. Bad. Thanks for lurchi pointing out that the colon can be
replaced by a '?'-wildcard to make rsyncing work again...
</quote>
http://braincore.blogspot.com/2006/06/wtf-pee-ooh-d.html
Well, it doesn't make things easier. Why not just use a "_" e.g.?
Yes. You are right, some of the forms of rsync commands no longer work, and it
took me a little while to figure out what did, but I am having no problems
with:
rsync repos.opensuse.org::buildservice-repos/home:/peternixon/SL-10.1/
Cheers
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10:03
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Am Monday 05 June 2006 10:16 schrieb Peter Nixon:
On Tue 30 May 2006 18:31, Peter Nixon wrote:
The will need ACL permissions in future. ATM everything can be created by
everybody (one reason why we do not open it to the public atm).
So please ask first on this list, if you want to create new top level
namespaces, before you do it. Feel free to mess around under your home:
namespace ;)
thanks
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On Tue 30 May 2006 17:58, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from
the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or
server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some
packages over there. hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project.
we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed
projects in that namespace we see:
server:apache (the former Apache project)
server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there)
server:ftp
server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php
package)
server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe
the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
Oh goody. I was about to add pdns to my project, but it looks like you
saved me the trouble :-)
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell.
peter nixon has some
packages in that area iirc. :)
I am glad someone noticed! *grin*
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but would
be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for wimps!)
I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but I am
willing to go with consensus here...
10:22
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 13:03, Adrian Schröter wrote:
Am Monday 05 June 2006 10:16 schrieb Peter Nixon:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
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On Tue 30 May 2006 18:31, Peter Nixon wrote:
The will need ACL permissions in future. ATM everything can be created by
everybody (one reason why we do not open it to the public atm).
So please ask first on this list, if you want to create new top level
namespaces, before you do it. Feel free to mess around under your home:
namespace ;) On Tue 30 May 2006 17:58, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
So, do these namespaces need to be specially created or can I do it from
the web interface? If someone can create either server:voip or
server:telephony and give me access to it I would be happy to move some
packages over there. hi,
on irc we had a discussion about adding some logical namespaces.
It was started by looking for the right place for a php project.
we now agreed on having a "server:" namespace. the first proposed
projects in that namespace we see:
server:apache (the former Apache project)
server:mail (exim and home:choeger:postfix could be moved there)
server:ftp
server:php (php project, and php extensions, and my hardened php
package)
server:dns (i will move my pdns, mydns, nsd packages there. maybe
the bind and dnsmasq package could move there aswell?:) )
Oh goody. I was about to add pdns to my project, but it looks like you
saved me the trouble :-)
It would be nice to have a server:voip aswell.
peter nixon has some
packages in that area iirc. :)
I am glad someone noticed! *grin*
I already created a project titled "telephony" a few weeks ago, but
would be happy to rename it to the server: namespace. (Clients are for
wimps!) I think that Telephony is probably a better name than VoIP, but
I am willing to go with consensus here...
17:02
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
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17:14
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 19:02, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator
to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like
rsync....
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So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
17:27
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On 2006-06-05 19:14:12 +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 19:02, schreef Marcus
Rueckert:
of course we will fsck the mirrors again. especially with KDE:. do we
really want it?
darix
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On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace seperator
to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with programs like
rsync.... So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
17:44
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the option
to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway)
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So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
17:50
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On 2006-06-05 20:44:22 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:44:22 +0300
From: Peter Nixon <listuser(a)peternixon.net>
Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
To: opensuse-buildservice(a)opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
http://build.opensuse.org/project/new and name it server:telephony. [done]
darix
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On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the option
to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway) So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
18:07
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 19:27, schreef u:
That's an 1 time occurence. Keeping the ":" will give difficulties for a
long
time...
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Including
":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace
seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with
programs like rsync....
of course we will fsck the mirrors again. especially with KDE:. do we
really want it?
18:15
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On 2006-06-05 20:07:38 +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 19:27, schreef u:
That's an 1 time occurence. Keeping the ":" will give difficulties for a
long
time...
peter nixon reported it is working for him. could you give some examples
which no longer work?
darix
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Including
":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace
seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with
programs like rsync....
of course we will fsck the mirrors again. especially with KDE:. do we
really want it?
18:46
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:50, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 20:44:22 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Ahhh. Thanks. It only shows up under:
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_all
but not under
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_public
Obviously I didnt look hard enough :-)
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:44:22 +0300
From: Peter Nixon <listuser(a)peternixon.net>
Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
To: opensuse-buildservice(a)opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
http://build.opensuse.org/project/new and name it server:telephony. [done] On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the
option to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway) So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
18:51
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 20:15, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
No, I can't.
Peter stated:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 10:35, schreef Peter Nixon:
That's an
1 time occurence. Keeping the ":" will give difficulties for a
long time...
peter nixon reported it is working for him. could you give some examples
which no longer work? Yes. You are right, some of the forms of rsync
commands no longer work, and
it took me a little while to figure out what did, but I am having no
problems with:
rsync repos.opensuse.org::buildservice-repos/home:/peternixon/SL-10.1/
Wouldn't that put a burden on the mirror admins, to find the right rsync
options (although the one above looks obvious enough to me).
I think that this should be looked at. That's why we use the buildserver
(still alpha). When the buildserver is released and fully operational, it is
not possible to change it anymore (or it least much more difficult).
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18:52
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, Richard Bos wrote:
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace
seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with
programs like rsync....
I agree that we should try to avoid as many problems we can by choosing a
neutral namespace separator for the project names. Alternatives to ":" could
be the already mentioned "_" or "+" or possibly "." or
"-". Looking at the
current project names only "+" wouldn't need any changes to existing
project
names.
So what do you like better (using four existing projects as examples and
making character replacements where required):
":":
SUSE:SL-10.1
server:isc-dhcp
GStreamer_010
Fedora:Core4
"_":
SUSE_SL-10.1
server_isc-dhcp
GStreamer-010
Fedora_Core4
"+":
SUSE+SL-10.1
server+isc-dhcp
GStreamer_010
Fedora+Core4
".":
SUSE.SL-10_1
server.isc-dhcp
GStreamer_010
Fedora.Core4
"-":
SUSE-SL_10.1
server-isc_dhcp
GStreamer_010
Fedora-Core4
Any other suggestions?
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19:10
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On 2006-06-05 20:52:23 +0200, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, Richard Bos wrote:
we should define some rules that ban the seperator from package names
aswell. and that will be hard. in that regard ":" was good. as projects
barely use it in their names, unlike "_", "-" or "+". (the
plus sign is
forbidden by the buildserivce atm anyway.)
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or
something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
anyway i think if rsync fells over the 2nd ":" in the url it is
definitely a sign for a broken url parser in rsync.
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Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace
seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with
programs like rsync....
I agree that we should try to avoid as many problems we can by choosing a
neutral namespace separator for the project names. Alternatives to ":" could
be the already mentioned "_" or "+" or possibly "." or
"-". Looking at the
current project names only "+" wouldn't need any changes to existing
project
names.
So what do you like better (using four existing projects as examples and
making character replacements where required):
19:12
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 21:46, Peter Nixon wrote:
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:50, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
OK. I have created a "server:telephony" project. Can an admin please delete
the "telephony" project?
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On 2006-06-05 20:44:22 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Ahhh. Thanks. It only shows up under:
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_all
but not under
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_public
Obviously I didnt look hard enough :-) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:44:22 +0300
From: Peter Nixon <listuser(a)peternixon.net>
Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
To: opensuse-buildservice(a)opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
http://build.opensuse.org/project/new and name it server:telephony.
[done] On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
> So should I create a server:telephony project?
yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the
option to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway)
19:58
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or
something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
+1
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Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus
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+1
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i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or
something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
+1
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New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On 2006-06-05 22:28:10 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Richard Bos wrote:
> Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
>> i wonder if we just should force
>>
>> ns/project/package
>>
>> and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted"
or
>> something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
>
> +1
>
before you all +1 this too much i wonder why we didnt get any complains
on sub namespaces.
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Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 22:28:10 +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote:
Maybe because it wasn't even discussed in the first place.
I just started using BS repos since KDE:KDE3 is hosted there.
I don't use rsync for BS repos myself, and smart handles the ":" without
problems, but just using "/" seems a lot more natural to me.
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Richard Bos wrote:
> Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus Rueckert:
>> i wonder if we just should force
>>
>> ns/project/package
>>
>> and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted"
or
>> something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
> +1
>
before you all +1 this too much i wonder why we didnt get any complains
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New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 21:10 +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
On 2006-06-05 20:52:23 +0200, Cornelius Schumacher
wrote:
Speaking about it, i tried uploading gtk+-2.8.18.tar.gz2 and the
filename always get cropped to just gtk, those namespace thingy or
whatever are really gonna be annoying if you use common char...
what about ~
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, Richard Bos wrote:
we should define some rules that ban the seperator from package names
aswell. and that will be hard. in that regard ":" was good. as projects
barely use it in their names, unlike "_", "-" or "+". (the
plus sign is
forbidden by the buildserivce atm anyway.)
Including ":"? I think it is still possible to change the namespace
seperator to something else than ":". This to prevent problems with
programs like rsync....
I agree that we should try to avoid as many problems we can by choosing a
neutral namespace separator for the project names. Alternatives to ":" could
be the already mentioned "_" or "+" or possibly "." or
"-". Looking at the
current project names only "+" wouldn't need any changes to existing
project
names.
So what do you like better (using four existing projects as examples and
making character replacements where required):
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or
something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
anyway i think if rsync fells over the 2nd ":" in the url it is
definitely a sign for a broken url parser in rsync.
darix
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05:24
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Am Monday 05 June 2006 21:12 schrieb Peter Nixon:
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 21:46, Peter Nixon wrote:
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On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:50, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
OK. I have created a "server:telephony" project. Can an admin please delete
the "telephony" project? On 2006-06-05 20:44:22 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
Ahhh. Thanks. It only shows up under:
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_all
but not under
http://build.opensuse.org/project/list_public
Obviously I didnt look hard enough :-) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:44:22 +0300
From: Peter Nixon <listuser(a)peternixon.net>
Subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
To: opensuse-buildservice(a)opensuse.org
On Mon 05 Jun 2006 20:02, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
> On 2006-06-05 13:22:40 +0300, Peter Nixon wrote:
> > So should I create a server:telephony project?
>
> yes. the server namespace is quite crowded already. :)
OK. well, could one of the admins please do it for me, as I think the
option to create new projects is MIA (well, I cant find it anyway)
http://build.opensuse.org/project/new and name it server:telephony.
[done] 
06:43
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Pascal Bleser wrote:
[...]
I don't use rsync for BS repos myself, and smart
handles the ":" without
problems, but just using "/" seems a lot more natural to me.
+1
Regards
Christoph
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07:04
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Am Monday 05 June 2006 21:58 schrieb Richard Bos:
Op maandag 5 juni 2006 21:10, schreef Marcus
Rueckert:
> i wonder if we just should force
>
> ns/project/package
>
> and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or
> something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
That is what the home:<user> namespace is for. Everything outside of that
should need an approvement in future. We spoke about namespace owners, who
can do that. So it is not a single person, but different persons for each
namespace.
However, we do not have this yet ...
bye
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07:13
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or
something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
If I'm understanding you correctly, you are proposing to push all packages
into "unsorted", as long as they don't belong to a namespace? So, with
that, the only way to access $package would be to access unsorted or the
corresponding namespace from $package_manager? If that's the case, I'd
strongly disagree with this proposal. Without a proper trust model in
place, this would make it virtually impossible to choose $packager (or
$group_of_packagers) you like to trust.
Regards
Christoph
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New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On 2006-06-05 23:58:53 -0400, Jonh Arson wrote:
Speaking about it, i tried uploading
gtk+-2.8.18.tar.gz2 and the
filename always get cropped to just gtk, those namespace thingy or
whatever are really gonna be annoying if you use common char...
what about ~
this is a bug. it is not related to this discussion. we are already
investigating it. i hope in the long term the gnome team will join the
build service. and you can just build against their targets.
than you dont have to maintain your own gnome.
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09:34
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On 2006-06-06 09:13:04 +0200, Christoph Thiel wrote:
If I'm understanding you correctly, you are
proposing to push all packages
into "unsorted", as long as they don't belong to a namespace? So, with
that, the only way to access $package would be to access unsorted or the
corresponding namespace from $package_manager? If that's the case, I'd
strongly disagree with this proposal. Without a proper trust model in
place, this would make it virtually impossible to choose $packager (or
$group_of_packagers) you like to trust.
it would be unsorted/project/package. and i dont like that solution
much. as i said in another having a way to define subnamespaces would be
nice to have.
any suggestions?
darix
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09:58
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 09:10:07PM +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
we should define some rules that ban the seperator
from package names
aswell. and that will be hard. in that regard ":" was good. as projects
barely use it in their names, unlike "_", "-" or "+". (the
plus sign is
forbidden by the buildserivce atm anyway.)
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or
something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
No, a fixes hierarchy makes no sense.
Cheers,
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New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:58:20AM +0200, Michael Schroeder wrote:
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 09:10:07PM +0200, Marcus
Rueckert wrote:
To followup on my own mail, here are the requirements for the
repository pathes:
1) must support arbitrary deep hierarchies for projects
2) must support arbitrary deep hierarchies for repositories
The idea behind this is to allow project maintainers to create
new projects in a sub hierarchy. For example, the "KDE:KDE3"
maintainers should be able to create a "KDE:KDE3:AMAROK"
subproject. Or the maintainer of "home:mls" should be able
to create "home:mls:fancyproj".
So in short, the buildservice maintainers only have an eye on the
"top level" projects, everything else is done via the normal project
permissions.
3) must be collision free
If we would just use '/' as a hierarchiy seperator, we would
get in trouble when there is a name clash with a repository.
For example a project "KDE/KDE3/SL10" might clash with a
repository "SL10" in "KDE/KDE3". The same is true for clashes
between the repository and the real repository, i.e. "repodata",
"i586" and the like.
4) it should be possible to rsync a project without loading
down all projects in a lower hierarchy. This is also hard with
simple slashes, because the KDE/KDE3 also includes KDE/KDE3/AMAROK.
We us a simple conversion of ':' to ':/' for now, I admit this
is a kind of a hack, but it meets the requirements.
If anybody comes up with something more elegant, please speak up.
We can still change the design, nothing is set to stone at the
moment.
Thanks,
Michael.
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we should define some rules that ban the
seperator from package names
aswell. and that will be hard. in that regard ":" was good. as projects
barely use it in their names, unlike "_", "-" or "+". (the
plus sign is
forbidden by the buildserivce atm anyway.)
i wonder if we just should force
ns/project/package
and stuff all projects without an explicit namespace into "unsorted" or
something like that. then we wouldnt need some special namespace marker
No, a fixes hierarchy makes no sense. 
19:13
New subject: [opensuse-buildservice] Re: Namespaces
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 6. Juni 2006 19:14 schrieb Michael Schroeder:
[...]
To followup on my own mail, here are the requirements
for the
repository pathes:
1) must support arbitrary deep hierarchies for projects
2) must support arbitrary deep hierarchies for repositories
3) must be collision free
4) it should be possible to rsync a project without loading
down all projects in a lower hierarchy. This is also hard with
simple slashes, because the KDE/KDE3 also includes KDE/KDE3/AMAROK.
I have two ideas:
a) the way several directories in /etc are done:
KDE - main project
KDE.d/newstuff - sub project "newstuff"
KDE.d/newstuff.d/amarok - sub-sub project "amarok" in "newstuff"
This would forbid (sub)projects named "*.d" - I currently don't know
a project or software that would suffer from this restriction.
Advantage (maybe): project and sub-project are clearly separated
Disadvantage (maybe): project and sub-project live in different
directories, it's harder than b) to mirror them together
b) KDE/_packages - main project
KDE/newstuff/_packages - sub project
KDE/newstuff/amarok/_packages - sub-sub project
This would forbid subprojects named "_packages" - since I don't
think "_packages" is a useful project name, I don't see a problem
here too ;-)
Advantage: you can easily mirror a project with all sub-projects AND
can easily mirror a project without sub-projects (mirror "_packages")
The directory name also looks better ;-)
Disadvantage: one more directory level
BTW: You can replace "_packages" with any other name if you want.
However, you should make sure that it is sorted to the first position
in directory listings (that's one reason for the underscore ;-)
I would prefer b) - IMHO it's a clear advantage if a project and its
sub-projects are grouped in one directory.
That said, everything is bettar than the ":". rsync was already listed
as example, scp isn't any better ("scp KDE:/something target" - does
KDE mean the machine or the directory here?)
Please also avoid other characters that have special meanings in URLs or
the shell (like ?*&+"'[](){};<>| etc.)
Or set up a "BOFH " project to ensure people always use correct shell
quoting ;-) ^
intentional *eg*
We can still change the design, nothing is set to
stone at the
moment.
But you should at least add a symlink for KDE: and other projects from
supplementary. People were already annoyed after it was moved to the
buildservice - they will _really_ be annoyed if the URL changes
again ;-)
(unfortunately, the namespace discussion came up too late :-( )
Regards,
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