[Bug 547075] New: New GTK package manager == bad
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 Summary: New GTK package manager == bad Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 11.2 Version: Factory Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: YaST2 AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: dominique.leuenberger@tmf-group.com QAContact: jsrain@novell.com Found By: --- Hi, sorry for the bad summary, but that's how the new yast2 gtk package manager behaves on me. There are several things just 'broken' (well, it does work, but read for yourself): - The workflow is distrupted with the tabs Add / Remove / Update / Undo. I think it's the only application where 'actions' are grouped in tabs. This is completely counter-intuitive. And it distrupts workflows when going through a list of installed apps, selecting updates, you can't just select a package for removal anymore: you first need to switch to the -> remove tab. After the entire selection, clicking next changes the button text to 'Sure?'. This is also not very expected and at first glance appears that no action is going to happen. It's a nice playful way, but anything else than what a user would expect. I'll comment on more things after using it more often. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User sshaw@decriptor.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c1 Stephen Shaw <sshaw@decriptor.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |sshaw@decriptor.com --- Comment #1 from Stephen Shaw <sshaw@decriptor.com> 2009-10-14 16:17:45 MDT --- I can't say that I'm a fan either. I agree. The Sure? button seems really redundant and out of place. I'm not sure that I've ever seen something like that before. If I hit apply, just apply it. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c2 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |christian.jaeger@rub.de, | |rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt Summary|New GTK package manager == |[Gtk-Pkg] 11.2 package |bad |manager UI criticisms Severity|Normal |Minor --- Comment #2 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-15 08:28:06 MDT --- Dominique, the workflow is not really different than 11.2. We just replaced the buttons by tabs, and done away with the "All" option. But I can see how the different labeling can stress the user. In fact, I was mildly opposed to it in our UI brainstorms. The advantages of label by action is that it makes the interface less threating to the new user who just wants to install or remove a package. However, for someone who wants to do something less conventional, like see the file list of some package, he will have to apply backward induction to realize he should click the "Remove" tab to see the "Installed" packages. It's elementary reasoning, but it may indeed break the user normal workflow. I think we re-use those strings elsewhere, so we probably are not subject to the string freezing, if we do want to change the labeling. (In reply to comment #1)
I'm not sure that I've ever seen something like that before. If I hit apply, just apply it.
Shaw, I think we do want the user to confirm the changes. Like you said, the idea was to try out a different way to do it. I suppose such leeway is one of the perks of being a volunteer. I personally am mainly unsatisfied with the Sure? icon choice which doesn't fit well since it was designed for dialogs, but otherwise it seems fine. The unusual behavior may not however make it worth the initial shock, so it probably is a good idea to go with the more conservative "confirm changes" window. Will reach out to my main accomplice to see whether he condones the suggestions. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c3 --- Comment #3 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-15 08:32:08 MDT --- PS: Dominique, feel free to express other issues you have the interface. I get very little feedback from people on the web. Also, the change of the bug "Severity" to "Minor" is not because I think this bug report is unimportant, but rather because according to the directrixes that seems the correct category for UI bug reports. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c4 --- Comment #4 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-15 12:48:40 MDT --- Changed the Apply button behavior to a confirmation popup in trunk. We'll have to see whether we should get this into 11.2 in light of the string freeze. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User wolfgang@rosenauer.org added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c5 Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |wolfgang@rosenauer.org --- Comment #5 from Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> 2009-10-15 14:14:06 MDT --- What I never got to work with the Gtk interface is choosing different package versions. At least if a package is already installed I cannot find any way to get that package selected anywhere. It's just not accessible. The "Remove" tab is always greyed out here where the package could be visible as it is installed. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User wolfgang@rosenauer.org added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c6 --- Comment #6 from Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> 2009-10-15 14:16:09 MDT --- Ah, I see the Remove tab is disabled in repo view. Does it need to be? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User suse-beta@cboltz.de added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c7 Christian Boltz <suse-beta@cboltz.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |suse-beta@cboltz.de --- Comment #7 from Christian Boltz <suse-beta@cboltz.de> 2009-10-15 23:04:55 CEST --- (In reply to comment #3)
Also, the change of the bug "Severity" to "Minor" is not because I think this bug report is unimportant, but rather because according to the directrixes that seems the correct category for UI bug reports.
Don't take this too strict ;-) IMHO minor is meant for, well, minor issues with the UI, like typos, non-aligned buttons or other things that don't look nice, but don't really impact functionality or usability. This also means that there can be "normal" or even "major" UI bugs if a bug makes a programm very hard to use. This bug sounds like the gtk package manager has big usability issues, which is not minor. I can't judge myself because I use the qt package manager, but from the description I'd say it is at least "normal". -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User saarmstrong@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c8 Sanford Armstrong <saarmstrong@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |saarmstrong@novell.com --- Comment #8 from Sanford Armstrong <saarmstrong@novell.com> 2009-10-15 15:26:24 MDT --- I appreciate that you guys are trying to improve the yast UI, but this new UI still needs a lot of work, input from designers, and user testing. I suggest reverting to the 11.1 UI for 11.2, and postponing this change until 11.3. Here are the big problems: * User finds a package, checks the box, and clicks "Install", and nothing appears to happen. They click "Install" again (because you can), and still nothing happens. There is no indicator that they need to take additional steps, or what those steps will do. Previously, a sidebar with pending actions would appear. * User finally figures out they need to click "Apply" (I guarantee they will never think to click on a tab labeled "Undo"), and are switched to the "Undo" tab. The user probably thinks at this point that they are working on things that will somehow be undone. * But assuming they are okay with this, they at least see that their package is in the "To install" column. Then, the primary button they see is "Uncouple", and the tooltip says "Open In New Window". Clicking on it changes the "Undo" tab into an "Undo History" window that is always-on-top but does not prevent actions on the rest of the Software Manager UI. The only action you can take with this window is to close it, at which point it becomes the "Undo" tab again. (Side note: the label of the "Sure?" button changes back to "Apply" after 10 seconds, and when you click on it again it just changes back to "Sure?", which is very confusing). * Finally, the only button left is "Sure?", which installs the software. Others have elaborated on how confusing this label is. At the minimum, these things need to change before we ship this UI: * "Undo" tab should be renamed to something useful * "Sure?" button should be renamed to something useful * "Uncouple" button should go away, and you should decide whether this part of the UI is a tab or a window. If it's a window the window functionality needs to be redesigned and have an equivalent of the "Sure?" button on it. Personally I think it should go back to being a sidebar so that after the user clicks "Install" they have some idea of what's going to happen. * The "Sure?" button should not spontaneously change back to "Apply" after an unseen timeout (seems to be 10 seconds). * After clicking the "Install" button, it should no longer be sensitive and the text should change to something informative like "Selected for Install". But really, this UI is in the very early alpha stages and is not ready for our users. Please revert to the 11.1 UI as there is no time for this one to be ready for 11.2. And please, please, please involve the community in these sorts of changes. I read Planet SUSE and unless I missed it this was not blogged about, and I can tell that it has not been reviewed by any designers or user experience experts, and it has not seen enough user testing. It was probably discussed on yast developer lists or in yast developer IRC but you should really include the wider openSUSE GNOME community here. There is no reason to rush this in when the current 11.1 UI does the job. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c9 --- Comment #9 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-15 18:34:38 MDT --- Okay guys, so let's try to discipline this thread and summarize the issues raised. First, let me reply to the concern over the introduction of these changes at the end of the 11.2 development cycle. I think this is why many folks have gravitated to this report (putting to shame prior calls for help on opensuse-gnome). Part of the blame goes to Novell staff since I've been trying to get someone to package yast2-gtk to Factory for a couple of months; part to my idiocy for the lapse of a couple of releases from incorrect commits after I was allowed and told to use Build Service myself. Many people however were alerted of the incoming changes, including the reporter of this bug. Now I don't have any muscle over opensuse, but I am not very inclined to spend further time reverting every portions of code having to do with the package manager UI however, and shipping the 11.1 version seems unworth the bug costs. I also wish some of you were more polite on your criticisms of my volunteer work. "GTK package manager == bad" is no way to open a civil bug report. Summary: 1. revert action-oriented labels (e.g. "Install" -> "Available") 2. revert Apply button behavior (done) 3. repositories view ought not to disable remove tab (fixed) 4. get rid of the uncouple button (done) 5. revert undo tab to the sidebar 6. disable version action button when applied (done) Interestingly the idea of 4 was to serve as a cushion for those who wanted 5. I guess the implementation failed to deliver the goods however. Let's keep the yast2-qt behavior for the moment and brainstorm about a redesign over email. I will let Christian Jaeger have a say on number 1, since he was the main person who pushed for it. (My thoughts on comment 2.) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User saarmstrong@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c10 --- Comment #10 from Sanford Armstrong <saarmstrong@novell.com> 2009-10-16 08:11:51 MDT --- Ricardo, I just tried yast from SVN and it is *much* better! :-) At this point, it is quite usable, because after you click the "Install" button, you just have to click "Apply" to get a confirmation window and go on with your package installs (no more "Sure?" button or forced use of the "Undo" tab). Also, the "Install" button desensitizes after you click it, reducing a lot of the previous confusion. I still think that reverting the Undo tab to a sidebar would be beneficial, and I *think* I agree about reverting the action-oriented labels for the tabs. Certainly if the "Undo" tab stays, I think a name like "Pending Changes" would work better, so maybe verb->noun applies to the rest of the tabs, too. I really appreciate your rapid response to these issues, Richard. I got SVN so I could send some patches, but at this point it seems like things are in a pretty good state, and it seems like you have the rest of the issues under control. Do ping me if you need to offload any of this work. I'll make sure to keep trying your changes as they happen. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c11 --- Comment #11 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-16 16:50:23 MDT --- Sanford, tell me if you're fine with current SVN. I've kept the current undo widget, but applied the 11.1 treatment. (Sure, there's some ambiguity with regard to same or down-grading, but still a big improvement over the old widget from the feedback.) I do think after 11.2 we should re-experiment with demoting that widget to its tab and confirmation dialog in order to simplify the UI for new comers. In fact, the #1 complain has been the overexposure of function, this by users of the entire spectrum of skill. At the same time, we should work on providing a clear and permanent way to allow the user to move it to the sidebar. But because of the lack of time for dialog, as the yast2-gtk Factory package has been stalled since 11.1 till now, I think it's only reasonable to accommodate those who were displeased about some of the changes (but let's keep it to a minimum to avoid breaking stuff). I have not been able to reach Christian, so I guess I'll have to make the call about the labeling. I do see the annoyance action oriented labels can be for an advanced user, since the label may not suit what she is trying to achieve with the pool (suppose she runs the software manager in order to set some installed package as locked, action labels would not be intuitive; more on comment 2). On the other hand, the problem seems overstated in this thread, even compensating for the selection bias (e.g. Description). Either way, one problem I have with reverting the labels is that the undo widget shares them (in a different tense), as well as the icons, making it clear how actions map to the undo widget. Also, they provide a context to the check boxes. The check boxes purpose isn't clear with a tab label such as "Available". Since the inconvenience seems minimal, I am inclined to say keep them. One possible solution if people feel strongly abut it, and there is no alternative proposal that copes with the issues I mention, is to suffix the pool description: e.g. "Install (Available)". Maybe if we do keep the icon and revert the label that would be enough to serve the purpose of conveying action. I do feel uncomfortable however to be dependent on an icon, especially since accessibility is one of the yast2-gtk selling points (was?). Also a icon/label mixed semantic pair, as it is unusual, could cause the user cognitive dissonance (unlikely to offset the backward induction from advanced uses). -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c12 --- Comment #12 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-16 16:58:10 MDT ---
Maybe if we do keep the icon and revert the label that would be enough to serve the purpose of conveying action. Forgot to provide the example, which of course would be: "+ Available".
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http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User saarmstrong@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c13 --- Comment #13 from Sanford Armstrong <saarmstrong@novell.com> 2009-10-16 21:44:49 MDT --- Just updated and tried your latest changes. The change that surprised me the most in latest SVN is that clicking "Apply" has no confirmation dialog now. But I can't recall if 11.1 had one or not. I think having the sidebar is a nice improvement. If possible, I would recommend only showing each section if it has entries (instead of seeing "To upgrade: (No entries.)", for example). The sidebar is already an improvement over the one from 11.1, which was prettier but harder to read than what you have implemented now. It's getting late here, I'll look at this more tomorrow and see if I can think of any more input. :-) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User wolfgang@rosenauer.org added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c14 Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ian.cheong@acm.org --- Comment #14 from Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> 2009-10-19 23:11:15 MDT --- *** Bug 548256 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=548256 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User ian.cheong@acm.org added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c15 --- Comment #15 from Ian Cheong <ian.cheong@acm.org> 2009-10-19 23:38:28 MDT --- There are a lot of UI issues caused by an apparent lack of well conceived guiding principles. YaST labels this "thing" Software management. But the bug is filed under "Package manager". Hence I didn't manage to find this discussion and posted a new bug. There needs to be a clear policy on naming of everything. To reiterate, an "Action" tab is quite dissonant, because nothing happens when you click the action word. My post in the duplicate bugs has suggestions, which hopefully should be just a relabel and not a lot of work. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User mmeeks@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c16 Michael Meeks <mmeeks@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |coolo@novell.com --- Comment #16 from Michael Meeks <mmeeks@novell.com> 2009-10-20 08:38:57 MDT --- Coolo - it'd be great to get some input here, and/or a decision - is it best to stick with what we have ? or try to revert to the 11.1 version (with whatever tweaks we need to make that fly with the latest zypper ?). I guess a decision / advice is needed ASAP :-) Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c17 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|[Gtk-Pkg] 11.2 package |[Gtk-Pkg] 11.2 software |manager UI criticisms |manager UI criticisms --- Comment #17 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-20 10:02:27 MDT --- Ian, I am not sure if using verbs as tab labels is disruptive, other than being heterodox, and I am not convinced the two go hand by hand, but that is a good point. (see Ian's full point over bug 548256.) I'm glad you otherwise enjoyed the UI, but your suggestion (reverting the labels) doesn't do it however. If we simply revert the labels, then the check boxes lose their meaning since the labels are what provide them with a context. Now there are many approaches I'm sure you'd eagerly suggest, but this is too much dialog to have in the short span of time we have available. The best course of action seems to be to revert to the 11.1 branch code. I will be sure to use your input in the future though. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c18 --- Comment #18 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-20 10:16:37 MDT --- For public disclosure, I've made the suggestion to revert the changes. Now, one problem is that the 2.18 RPMs have this one issue that could be a deal breaker: see bug 529569. SVN was broken prior to me working on these changes, so that will be unhelpful either. My suggestion would be to use the 11.1 branch: http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/branches/SuSE-Code-11-Branch/ I can submit to the Build Service that code if you'd agree. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User ian.cheong@acm.org added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c19 --- Comment #19 from Ian Cheong <ian.cheong@acm.org> 2009-10-20 15:40:14 MDT --- I don't have to eagerly suggest any more approaches, since simple functionality should be simple and functional and consistent. Checkboxes do *not* get context from a tab label. The usual GUI selection metaphor is not a checkbox, but do think it would be perfectly functional with reverted labels pending further UI reworks. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User christian.jaeger@rub.de added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c20 --- Comment #20 from Christian Jäger <christian.jaeger@rub.de> 2009-10-21 01:08:20 MDT --- Firstly, as the person who suggested 'action lables', I must say I was wrong. A view filter, and this is what it basically is, should not imply that clicking it prompt an action. In the old design, where the view filters were buttons, such a misapprehension could easily be made. Although I don't see quite how anyone could think clicking on the title of a tab could install a package.
I don't have to eagerly suggest any more approaches, since simple functionality should be simple and functional and consistent.
This is a very bold statement. Package management is NOT a 'simple functionality'. Please check out the Qt-GUI to the package manager and see how simple the Gtk-GUI is in comparison. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User coolo@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c21 Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|coolo@novell.com | --- Comment #21 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2009-10-21 07:04:31 MDT --- sorry, I won't step in the way here. We're in the prerelease freeze now, which means we will fix only release critical issues and I see different UI philisophies not as release critical. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User christian.jaeger@rub.de added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c22 --- Comment #22 from Christian Jäger <christian.jaeger@rub.de> 2009-10-21 07:44:42 MDT --- I would suggest to choose whatever option has fewer potential pitfalls, regardless of UI preferences. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c23 --- Comment #23 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-21 09:00:07 MDT --- Copied the 11 branch over trunk, but have not yet sent that to Factory. I'm having a quarrel with Build Service. Will try out again later, but if someone wants to pick this up, I would appreciate it. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c24 --- Comment #24 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-21 09:21:43 MDT --- Ian, I did not mean to suggest you had to propose anything. My English must have betrayed me. My point was merely that this was not a time to discuss such changes. Instead, let's restore the previous version's UI. Anyway, I would like to hear you expand your opinion on the check boxes. This is a commonly used element on package managers. Is it your view that they should be done with, or the semantics changed? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User ian.cheong@acm.org added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c25 --- Comment #25 from Ian Cheong <ian.cheong@acm.org> 2009-10-21 18:23:16 MDT --- (In reply to comment #24)
Anyway, I would like to hear you expand your opinion on the check boxes. This is a commonly used element on package managers. Is it your view that they should be done with, or the semantics changed?
I have been reading on human interface design for a long time. Donald Norman's books "The design of everyday things" and "Things that make us smart" are seminal. (Donald Norman happened to be an Apple Fellow along time ago and later moved to HP.) Human interface design in daily living is often broken still today. More people should read Norman's easy to read works.
From a user perspective, functionality as exposed by controls should be simple and intuitive and even impossible to get wrong. "Affordances" is the relevant jargon term.
A screen with a tab that says "undo" and visible buttons that say "uncouple" "install" "undo" "cancel" and "apply" is not entirely clear. As I said, Apple Human Interface Guidelines and Apple's 15 years of experience designing GUIs are based on sound basic principles. openSUSE does not have to copy, but should to at least consider all the issues solved by a document like Apple's Human Interface Guidelines and come up with its own principles. Without clear agreed guiding principles for usability, much human effort will be wasted travelling down blind pathways. On checkboxes, one has to decide if it is the most universally applicable selection metaphor. Most GUIs use highlighting across *all* aspects of the interface (text, icons, lists, objects, etc) to indicate selection. So what is the rationale for using a checkbox instead, expecially when the semantics of "tick" and "cross" are overloaded???? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c26 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #26 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-22 03:45:44 MDT --- Lookout for 2.20.5. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c27 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ke@novell.com --- Comment #27 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-26 09:47:49 MDT --- *** Bug 550120 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=550120 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c28 --- Comment #28 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-28 10:49:55 MDT --- Opensuse 11.2 RC2 won't feature 2.20.5, though the final should. Build Service accepted it: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=yast2-gtk&project=YaST%3AHead But Factory hasn't yet give it the time of day: http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/suse/i586/ If anyone knows how to speed up the process, feel free to take the bug. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c29 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P2 - High Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #29 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-28 10:58:39 MDT --- Just realized I could look at the build progress over openSUSE:Factory at: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=yast2-gtk&project=openSUSE%3AFactory Now, I assume the errors are leftovers from a previous build, but why are a bunch of targets set as 'disabled'... 'snapshot' and 'staging' targets, in particular, feature previous builds, so that seems unexpected. Anyone familiar with Build Service wants to have a look at that? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|[Gtk-Pkg] 11.2 software |[Gtk-Pkg] 11.2 software |manager UI criticisms |manager UI criticisms -- | |regress to 11.1 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|[Gtk-Pkg] 11.2 software |[Gtk] 11.2 software manager |manager UI criticisms -- |UI criticisms -- regress to |regress to 11.1 |11.1 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User coolo@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c30 --- Comment #30 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2009-10-28 14:53:51 MDT --- 11.2 is not built from openSUSE:Factory but from openSUSE:11.2 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User badshah400@gmail.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c31 Atri Bhattacharya <badshah400@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |badshah400@gmail.com --- Comment #31 from Atri Bhattacharya <badshah400@gmail.com> 2009-10-31 07:52:49 MDT --- What about these features that entered the qt inerfaces very late? Will there be a gtk equivalents for 11.2? http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/619 and https://features.opensuse.org/300758 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c32 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #32 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-31 09:40:09 MDT --- All is well. My osc submission got through 11.2 RC2. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c33 --- Comment #33 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-31 09:51:17 MDT --- Atri, the point of this bug report was to revoke the package management changes we had made for 11.2, so no, of course not. Now, would said changes have addressed those features any way? Unlikely. It would therefor be much appreciated if you would summarize the features that are lacking in a new bug report. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User badshah400@gmail.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c34 --- Comment #34 from Atri Bhattacharya <badshah400@gmail.com> 2009-10-31 10:49:27 MDT --- (In reply to comment #33)
Atri, the point of this bug report was to revoke the package management changes we had made for 11.2, so no, of course not.
Sorry if I have caused problems there. Btw there was a category called 'fresh' or something along with recommended and suggested in the RC1 version which showed newly installed/updated packages (I think). This was nice, but it is gone from the RC2 version.
Now, would said changes have addressed those features any way? Unlikely. It would therefor be much appreciated if you would summarize the features that are lacking in a new bug report.
Yes, I have opened new bug report (bug 551662) and summarised the missing features. Also added you as CC. Would be a great help if you can try to get them into 11.2 (yes I know it is late, but I still hope). Thanks for all your work. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c35 --- Comment #35 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-10-31 12:15:41 MDT --- (In reply to comment #34)
Sorry if I have caused problems there. Btw there was a category called 'fresh' or something along with recommended and suggested in the RC1 version which showed newly installed/updated packages (I think). This was nice, but it is gone from the RC2 version.
I can't verify this now, but I think 11.1 already had such a feature albeit implemented in a non-obvious place. Click the icon of the search entry, and there should be an equivalent item there that will only show those packages that have been submitted to the repository in X-days time. The 'Fresh' category didn't allow the same fine tuning, but it seemed a more adequate place to feature it. Ideally, I would like to be able to only show packages who were added to the repository for the very first time. There doesn't seem to be a reliable way to do this. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c36 --- Comment #36 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-11-02 07:30:06 MST --- Created an attachment (id=325138) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=325138) 11.2 POT file -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User ke@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c37 Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | AssignedTo|rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt |ke@novell.com Severity|Minor |Normal --- Comment #37 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2009-11-05 02:33:21 MST --- I'll prepare a translation update next week. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User ke@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c38 Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kkemenczy@novell.com --- Comment #38 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2009-11-05 02:35:06 MST --- *** Bug 551840 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551840 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User ke@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c39 Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |piotr.krakowiak@suse.pl --- Comment #39 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2009-11-05 02:35:55 MST --- *** Bug 551295 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551295 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User ke@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c40 Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |ast@novell.com --- Comment #40 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2009-11-09 00:30:51 MST --- I need a swampid, please. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User cdengler@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c42 --- Comment #42 from Christian Dengler <cdengler@novell.com> 2009-11-09 13:10:48 MST --- Karl, which package(s)? Only translations? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 User ke@novell.com added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c43 --- Comment #43 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2009-11-09 23:42:54 MST --- Yes,only translations. yast2-trans and many of its subpackages (yast2-trans-{??,??_??}). -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c44 Marcus Meissner <meissner@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |maintenance@opensuse.org Info Provider|maintenance@opensuse.org |ke@novell.com --- Comment #44 from Marcus Meissner <meissner@novell.com> 2009-11-17 15:21:10 UTC --- Karl, is this really the right bug? the bug seems about massive yast2-gtk changes, and not translations. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c45 Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|ke@novell.com | --- Comment #45 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2009-11-17 15:40:54 UTC --- (In reply to comment #44)
Karl, is this really the right bug? the bug seems about massive yast2-gtk changes, and not translations.
If I got it right this bug is about reverting yast2-gtk to a previous version (11.1 status plus fixes) [see comment 33]. Unfortunately, we forgot to revert the translations as well [which starts at comment 36]. I think we can use this bug for the yast translation update. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c Marcus Meissner <meissner@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |maintenance@opensuse.org -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c46 --- Comment #46 from Christian Dengler <cdengler@novell.com> 2009-11-23 20:13:31 UTC --- I think we can wait with this update/fix if there are no other opinions from maintenance team. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c47 --- Comment #47 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-11-30 20:59:31 UTC --- Anyone interested on the software manager UI design for opensuse 11.3 should subscribe to http://groups.google.com/group/yast2-gtk . Feel free to post your thoughts or comment on that of others. Past mockups are available at: http://en.opensuse.org/YaST2-GTK#Brainstorm:_mockups -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c48 --- Comment #48 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2009-12-02 07:59:11 UTC --- (In reply to comment #46)
I think we can wait with this update/fix if there are no other opinions from maintenance team.
I think this bug is rather cumbersome and deserves are fix. In the meantime, translators want additional updates, yast and more: bug 558749. For the moment, let's concentrate on YaST. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c49 Swamp Workflow Management <swamp@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status Whiteboard| |maint:running:29283 --- Comment #49 from Swamp Workflow Management <swamp@suse.com> 2009-12-02 20:57:52 UTC --- The SWAMPID for this issue is 29283. Please submit the patch and patchinfo file using this ID. (https://swamp.suse.de/webswamp/wf/29283) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c Dirk Mueller <dmueller@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|maintenance@opensuse.org | -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c51 --- Comment #51 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2010-01-08 15:29:09 UTC --- I'm working on it; yast2-trans updates just submitted to openSUSE:11.2:Update (via 'sr'): created request id 28323 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c52 Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Blocks| |558749 Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #52 from Karl Eichwalder <ke@novell.com> 2010-01-13 14:09:12 UTC --- also fixed by now. I forgot to add it to bug 558749 as a blogger. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c Swamp Workflow Management <swamp@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status Whiteboard|maint:running:29283 |. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=547075#c53 --- Comment #53 from Bernhard Wiedemann <bwiedemann@suse.com> --- This is an autogenerated message for OBS integration: This bug (547075) was mentioned in https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/29418 11.2 / yast2-trans -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
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