[Bug 492647] New: Remove 'slab' Presentation of Yast and Most All Menu System and Standardise Default Menu System
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647 Summary: Remove 'slab' Presentation of Yast and Most All Menu System and Standardise Default Menu System Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 11.2 Version: Alpha 0 Platform: x86-64 OS/Version: openSUSE 11.0 Status: NEW Severity: Enhancement Priority: P5 - None Component: GNOME AssignedTo: bnc-team-gnome@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au QAContact: qa@suse.de Found By: --- User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.7) Gecko/2009022800 SUSE/3.0.7-1.1.6 Firefox/3.0.7 When we open Yast in Gnome the response is 1 big slab of root applications and whilst this was originally much small the amount of root application has increased. We need to remove the slab of root Yast Menus. The same concept is required for the rationalisation of the user menu system - After many many years I can always find what I am looking for and what I need, but a recent public critique was not so kind. I decided to either validate or forget about the public critique. I presented 3 Entirely New to Linux home users with medium technical skills and left them alone. Ever negative feedback that was provided focused solely the Memu style 'slab' of applications in Yast because when you enter Yast the full screen of available application cannot all be seen as it extends off the Monitor. The other issue was that this same 'slab' issue in multiple user/system/non-root applications was hugely confusing. The 'Computer Menu initially opens well but heaven help any one who clicks on 'more applications' The other Menus being Applications, Places, System and Computer Menus all require consistent rationalisation of type, content and usage. On the very plus side is the wonderful faultless performance of applications and Yast - Its rock solid at a time where KDE often falls over. Give the user a good consist and menu, Direct multiple clipboard selection, different wallpapers per virtual desktop, much more default eye kandy and it will win hands down over KDE and miserable Vista, in my opinion. I have pasted an extract out of a public critique on SLED and its URL as of 23 March 2009 Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1.Enhancement 2.Enhancement 3.Enhancement Actual Results: See Description Extract text from http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9716 QUOTE..... My gripes with SLED 11 are also not just related to Novell’s insufficient QA, although clearly this is the product’s biggest problem. I also have design issues as to how they laid out the interface for their updated “Slab” enhancements to GNOME. In both openSUSE 11.1 and SLED 11, there are 3 distinct “views” by which programs and settings can be accessed — a “Control Center”, an “Applications Browser” and then “Yast2″. Each of these views contain a large amount of icons, particularly the “Applications Browser” which is several pages long. This is so overwhelming that it takes a long time to figure out in which interface a particular program or configuration option is actually located. This problem, which is a disease I shall refer to as “Iconitis” is also a design element I also take issue with in Windows Vista and Windows 7’s Control Panel, but Novell’s implementation is much more confusing and counter-intuitive. Ideally, I’d like to see ONE Control Panel/Applications Browser with organizational tabs or tree drill-downs so that you don’t have to switch between UIs to find what you need. Access to the Administrative icons should require super-user or authenticated user privileges. Can OEMs and Enterprises address the overwhelming amount of presented apps in the Application Browser using imaging and scripted installs? Yes, but again I say Novell should not assume everyone is going to do this. The default install and menu configuration should not be this unweildy for an end-user. While the technology itself in SLED 11 is impressive, Novell clearly has a lot of work to do before I can recommend deployment of SLED 11 as an enterprise desktop. UNQUOTE..... -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647 User rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647#c1 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2009-04-29 11:50:55 MDT --- Related: * bug 436758 * bug 341693 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647 User robert@re-factory.de added comment http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647#c2 Robert E. <robert@re-factory.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |robert@re-factory.de --- Comment #2 from Robert E. <robert@re-factory.de> 2009-08-07 13:29:24 MDT --- I second that. At least the "more applications" menu needs reworking. For the average non-technical user it is a pain in the a** to use. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647#c Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Platform|x86-64 |All Version|Alpha 0 |Final OS/Version|openSUSE 11.0 |openSUSE 11.2 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647#c3 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #3 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2011-08-28 06:45:54 UTC --- Please re-open if you're still unhappy about 12.1. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647#c4 Scott Couston <scott@aphofis.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |scott@aphofis.com Resolution|FIXED |WONTFIX --- Comment #4 from Scott Couston <scott@aphofis.com> 2011-09-09 19:59:46 UTC --- The issue of slab presentation of Yast has got worse now appearing in KDE 11.2-4 are the perfect examples. This is obviously due to an overriding guideline, policy or technical reasons. Functional change is never about making people happy - I see functional excellence and the functional abysmal application of it. nothing happy or sad about it. The reason code is wontfix. This reason code is perfectly acceptable in the development of software if it conflicts with overriding guidelines for future planed changes. Slab presentations now in KDE, are just that! I think history will judge this as a very very poor decision with respect to usability - I would rather see yast removed completely and interfaced with KDE's native control functions and the same for gnome. I thing we need to strive for complete integration and not user confusion. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647#c5 Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED CC| |vuntz@suse.com Resolution|WONTFIX | --- Comment #5 from Ricardo Cruz <rpmcruz@alunos.dcc.fc.up.pt> 2011-09-09 22:15:31 UTC --- Vincent, can you confirm whether the new yast2 control center addresses the points raised here? (lack of integration, overwhelming icon-ization, ...) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492647#c6 Vincent Untz <vuntz@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #6 from Vincent Untz <vuntz@suse.com> 2011-09-10 06:19:41 UTC --- Ricardo: I don't think we should reopen 11.2 bugs that were closed; a new bug would make more sense ;-) FWIW, the lack of integration and overwhelming icon-ization examples are obviously subjective examples. I do think the new version of the yast control center feels more integrated, but people might disagree... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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