http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960241 http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960241#c3 Arnold Mesper changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flags|needinfo?(arnold.mesper@yan | |dex.com) | --- Comment #3 from Arnold Mesper --- The problem occurs already during the installation: The default systemd target changes from graphical to text mode if I want to install KDE without recommends. If I manually change it to graphical mode the installer tells me: "The installer is recommending you the default target 'Text mode'. X11 packages have not been selected for installation." Due to this message I did not try to install openSUSE this way, so I cannot provide you any other error messages. If I go into the software selection details on the tab "Patterns" and look at the pattern "X Window System", then only the following packages are selected: * patterns-openSUSE-base * patterns-openSUSE-enhanced_base * patterns-openSUSE-fonts * patterns-openSUSE-x11 but nothing else. For example xorg-x11-server or xorg-x11-driver-video are unselected. If I go to the installation summary, then no x11-*, xf86-* or xorg-* package is selected. So to me it looks like everything with regards to X11 is missing. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960241 http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960241#c5 --- Comment #5 from Arnold Mesper --- (In reply to Raymond Wooninck from comment #4)

Someone that first does a very basic (non-graphical) installation, switches off the "Install Recommends" option in YaST is on his own. The patterns are using recommends so that the user can still make certain selections.

As far as I can see the package patterns-openSUSE-x11 is not installed by default, if I select a minimal text mode only system (with recommends switched on). So a non-graphical installation should not be affected in any way by the settings in patterns-openSUSE-x11.

The openSUSE patterns are working based on recommending packages to be installed. The patterns-openSUSE-x11 is the one that recommends the xserver package and everything that belongs to a graphical workstation. This is one of the base packages that are installed by default and therefore the KDE patterns do not explicitly require the xserver.

Yes, KDE does not need to explicitly require the xserver, as - even without recommends - the patterns-openSUSE-x11 is installed by default. I will change the title of the issue, as this might be misleading. The problem is that the patterns-openSUSE-x11 does not mandate the software required to install X11. It only recommends it, which IMHO does not make sens. To make the problem even more clear: If you select a to install a minimal X-window system without recommends you get no X11-related software installed. I do not think this is the behavior users would expect. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960241 http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960241#c6 Raymond Wooninck changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|kde-maintainers@suse.de |yast2-maintainers@suse.de --- Comment #6 from Raymond Wooninck --- This is no longer a KDE issue, but a more general issue with the patterns and that certain packages would need to be required from the patterns instead of everything as Recommends. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=960241 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|coolo@suse.com |lnussel@suse.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.