[Bug 377441] New: Boot Option "Failsafe" is meaningless to users
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 Summary: Boot Option "Failsafe" is meaningless to users Product: openSUSE 10.3 Version: Final Platform: PC OS/Version: openSUSE 10.3 Status: NEW Severity: Enhancement Priority: P5 - None Component: Usability AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au QAContact: qa@suse.de Found By: Customer I was demoing OpenSuse to a few friends, strictly users and at the Boot option menu many asked what the meaning of "FailSafe' Boot Option and all the lines 'of code' that appeared at the bottom when this option was selected. I was really stuck for an answer to satisfy a general user. Indeed we have in many ways forgotten about the user here. In version 11.0 could be possibly change this boot option to something that has meaning to a user. After all, is that not our intent, to create an easy to use interface that a user is happy to use and understand. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User benji@opensuse.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c1 Benjamin Weber <benji@opensuse.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |benji@opensuse.org --- Comment #1 from Benjamin Weber <benji@opensuse.org> 2008-04-04 16:43:33 MST --- What would you suggest as an alternative? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c2 Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au --- Comment #2 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-04-04 18:18:25 MST --- Move it from the Menu and allocate a function Key. The way it is presented a user could interoperate Fail-safe Mode as MS Windows 'Safe Mode' which has many user options and offers far far more functionality that our Fail-safe. In a MS Environment Safe Mode is only accessible to the user when the MS O/S is really stuffed up. We do NOT want to consider drawing any parallels to the MS Safe Mode OR vast Advanced install options available from any MS O/S and application Setup options. By all means keep the name, however move it off the main menu to a function Key. There is far far to many user options after boot from Install Media. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |mschmidkunz@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User mschmidkunz@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c3 --- Comment #3 from Martin Schmidkunz <mschmidkunz@novell.com> 2008-04-17 05:50:37 MST --- What about removing the floppy entry from the boot menu as well? My proposal would be -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE 11.0 F1 Help F2 Language F3 Boot F4 Boot F5 Boot Options English (UK) Floppy Failsafe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Boot Options would open a pop up where the user can view and edit the boot options. What do you think about that? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c4 --- Comment #4 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-04-17 17:24:20 MST --- Proposal #3 Sounds very good. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User mschmidkunz@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c5 --- Comment #5 from Martin Schmidkunz <mschmidkunz@novell.com> 2008-04-25 02:20:36 MST --- Coolo, what do you think about that suggestion? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User mschmidkunz@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c6 Martin Schmidkunz <mschmidkunz@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #6 from Martin Schmidkunz <mschmidkunz@novell.com> 2008-08-21 08:01:29 MDT --- Closing because of no reply. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c7 Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #7 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-09-01 15:46:24 MDT --- No reply from who!!!!!!!!!!!! QA could you please attend to possible no action. Could you please advise clarify the 'closed as fixed' resolution where nothing has changed - This is misleading and meaningless and waters down items that were fixed and changes stats in number of items that were actually fixed by changed code/procedure etc. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c8 Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|mschmidkunz@novell.com |bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com Status|REOPENED |NEW --- Comment #8 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-09-01 15:46:39 MDT --- No reply from who!!!!!!!!!!!! QA could you please attend to possible no action. Could you please advise clarify the 'closed as fixed' resolution where nothing has changed - This is misleading and meaningless and waters down items that were fixed and changes stats in number of items that were actually fixed by changed code/procedure etc. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User chrubis@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c9 Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |chrubis@novell.com AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |coolo@novell.com --- Comment #9 from Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@novell.com> 2008-09-04 04:39:57 MDT --- Martin probably overlooked that NEEDINFO was set for one of our developers and closed this bug because it was for long time in NEEDINFO state, sorry for this. Moving to coolo. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 Christoph Thiel <cthiel@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |cthiel@novell.com AssignedTo|coolo@novell.com |cthiel@novell.com Status|NEW |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User cthiel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c10 Christoph Thiel <cthiel@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |snwint@novell.com --- Comment #10 from Christoph Thiel <cthiel@novell.com> 2008-09-16 05:20:57 MDT --- Steffen, what do you think? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User snwint@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c11 Steffen Winterfeldt <snwint@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |snwint@novell.com Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|snwint@novell.com | --- Comment #11 from Steffen Winterfeldt <snwint@novell.com> 2008-09-16 05:47:26 MDT --- Well, our 11.0 install CD did exactly that (move 'failsafe' to a separate menu). I fully agree that the 'floppy' option is pointless. And the usefulness of 'failsafe' is IMO at least questionable. The problem with the above proposal (to put options into separate menu) is, that it does not work if you turn off the graphical boot menu. Also, see bug 419464. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User snwint@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c13 --- Comment #13 from Steffen Winterfeldt <snwint@novell.com> 2008-09-16 06:12:18 MDT --- Just to clarify on my comment 11: I'm fully pro the suggested change (to rip out 'failsafe' from the main boot menu). But bootloader config seems to be a delicate subject. :-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c14 --- Comment #14 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-09-16 17:35:21 MDT --- With respect to the install menu from boot CD we have the following options Boot from HD -> Boot Loader menu Installation -> 6 Options -> 23 Sub-Options Repair Installed System -> 6 Options -> 23 Sub-Options Rescue System -> 6 Options -> 23 Sub-Options Firmware Test -> 6 Options - > 23 Sub-Options Memory Test -Nil I think the implication for rationalization of both the Install CD AND the Boot-Loader is far beyond the scope of 1 change request to 1 item. Personally I have difficulties in explaining the difference between Rescue and Repair. Logically I have problems with the whole of the above. Bug #419464 is restricted and its reference is not helpful. I think the Boot from CD requires a most deliberate course of logic between many people and if this is difficult or delicate then all the more reason for change. 1. QA - Could you please change the title of this bug to be Rationalization of Boot from CD Menu 2. Could you please resolve this issue by undertaking to put it firmly on the agenda for Functional Change rather than enhance or bug fix. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|cthiel@novell.com |bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com Status|ASSIGNED |NEW -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User snwint@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c15 --- Comment #15 from Steffen Winterfeldt <snwint@novell.com> 2008-09-17 03:21:21 MDT --- If you have suggestions for improvement, you're welcome. See also bug 377446 for the last attempt. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c16 --- Comment #16 from Scott Couston <alpha096@virginbroadband.com.au> 2008-09-18 01:33:35 MDT --- The first question which comes to mind is What is wrong with the default that we need to functionally offer so many ways of booting a PC. I think the task ahead of us all is to create and improve the default boot and in doing so start to remove boot options 1 by 1 from the vast list that appears to get bigger not smaller. This involves changes to the Default Kernel and boot Loader and depend and modules. We have got to busy in fragmenting it rather than the other way around. I think we need a larger forum in this respect. We need to appreciate how technical excellence has nothing to do with user acceptance and we have held on to the old school tie of Keeping Linux only for the high technical mind and creating a Club of members who need to sign their email and ideas with their club badge number. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User aj@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c17 Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |cthiel@novell.com --- Comment #17 from Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> 2008-10-09 12:45:12 MDT --- Scott, please don't assign this randomly around -> back to Christoph. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 Christoph Thiel <cthiel@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|cthiel@novell.com |coolo@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441 User coolo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377441#c18 Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #18 from Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> 2008-10-22 07:27:14 MDT --- please use opensuse-factory@opensuse.org as larger forum. I don't think keeping this bug open has any value. The CD is more than install medium, it's used for repairing systems and has options for older hardware. If there is something missing in our documentation, please file concrete ones. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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