[Bug 233350] New: opensuseupdater: individuals packages do not sum as a set
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 Summary: opensuseupdater: individuals packages do not sum as a set Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: Final Platform: i586 OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Other AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: bluedzins@wp.pl QAContact: qa@suse.de For example, OSU insists on installing cups patch. I can set it to taboo, but I would also like to set every cups package to "keep it" or "do not nothing" and this should have the same effect -- no changes to cups. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 stbinner@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Other |YaST2 QAContact|qa@suse.de |jsrain@novell.com Summary|opensuseupdater: individuals|you: individuals packages do not sum as a set |packages do not sum as a set| ------- Comment #1 from stbinner@novell.com 2007-01-11 04:13 MST ------- It's not opensuse-updater you're talking about but YOU. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 mhorvath@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team- |jsuchome@novell.com |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 jsuchome@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|jsuchome@novell.com |sh@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 sh@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX ------- Comment #2 from sh@novell.com 2007-01-11 06:54 MST ------- That's the result of setting patches to "taboo". That's why I was so much opposed to do that in the first place. All it does is confuse users. Sorry, that was a project manager decision. I don't like it, either. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #3 from sh@novell.com 2007-01-11 06:58 MST ------- See also bug #208694 (not exactly the same, but very similar: deleting a patch only deletes the patch meta data, not undo what the patch did as users might expect) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 bluedzins@wp.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX | ------- Comment #4 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-01-11 07:29 MST ------- Stefan, I reopened this report because I think there is big misunderstanding. I am not talking about installing. I am talking about, well, mathematics :-) There is a set S (cups for example). And there are packages in this set -- p1, p2, p3. If I set p1 p2 and p3 as "do not install" it should be 100% equivalent as setting -- "do not install S". In other words: S === p1,p2,p3,..,pN. (Btw. I didn't set anythin to taboo -- I was trying to GET the effect of taboo by settings individual packages as "leave it"). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 sh@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID ------- Comment #5 from sh@novell.com 2007-01-11 10:37 MST ------- That's the point. That's exactly what it is NOT. If you set a patch to "taboo", you set the patch object to "taboo". That does not mean that you set the content of the patch to "taboo". That would not make very much sense, either, since you will only get each individual package's updated instance only anyway if it is already installed. And you cannot set an installed package to "taboo" because you already have it. You would have to delete it first. Ultimate confusion. But "taboo" for patches had been required for some arcane reason, and users will always be confused what it means. On second thought, this is much more INVALID than WONTFIX. What you have in mind does not work out -- see above. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #6 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-01-11 11:15 MST ------- Ok, please, forget about taboo for a second, ok. Let's try this one -- there are some patches, right? Amongst others, for cups. Now -> opensuseupdater -> install -> yast (I believe) -> patches. If you look at cups section, all installed packages have action "refresh". I would like to patch/refresh everything but cups (I mean, I don't want to make any changes in cups). Why I cannot set every cups package to "no change"? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #7 from sh@novell.com 2007-01-12 04:27 MST ------- You can do that, but if you want that, you have to do it on the package level. Simply use the context menu in the package list and select "All in this list" -> "protected". But this is something else than "taboo". And not only would it be utterly confusing if you get a lot of packages set to "protected" if you set a patch containing them to "taboo", it would also have implications beyond the patches view. (More precisely, it will have once status "taboo" and "protected" actually get saved to disk which they currently are not - bugs and feature requests for this are open). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 bluedzins@wp.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | ------- Comment #8 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-01-12 07:35 MST -------
Simply use the context menu in the package list and select "All in this list" -> "protected".
a) what is the reason? It is misdesign -- with four packages, p1-p4, but only p1-p3 set for refresh, p4 untouched, why all four should be protected. All in all even yast noticed that p4 won't change b) it does not work at all -- I mean there is even no visual change in the list. No matter if I set it to protected or "do not install" (thus reopening).
But this is something else than "taboo".
Not a problem here, I would like to get effect "do not change installed package" on the package level (not a set). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 sh@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID ------- Comment #9 from sh@novell.com 2007-01-15 03:59 MST ------- Will you please read my comments and stop messing with bugs that already have a resolution? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #10 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-01-15 04:07 MST ------- You mean this resolution that does not work? I cannot do anything at package level to get it work. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #11 from sh@novell.com 2007-01-15 05:07 MST ------- It works nicely for me. Set the patch to "don't install" or "taboo", then you can set the corresponding packages to "protected". -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #12 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-01-15 05:50 MST ------- Stefan, that's the whole point, I would like to set only packages to protected without touching patch (set of packages) status. Reason: I carefully check the version I have installed and patch version. So I go from package to package, it should automatically change the patch status. Setting patch status manually is more work for the user. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #13 from sh@novell.com 2007-01-15 06:15 MST ------- Of course nonstandard operations are more work than standard operations. That's only normal. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #14 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-01-15 07:02 MST ------- Ok, but it is true that individual packages do not sum -- and they should. And it is not nonstandard -- yast provive method to select package as "protected" by the last step is lacking -- detecting if I selected all of them. Why this is invalid? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #15 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-01-15 07:08 MST ------- in short: the problem is -- user sets package to "protected" -- yast silently overrides it. It is a bug! Either follow the user settings or disable the package status changing by user. Here yast shows really bad design -- "surprise, we remove all your work because...". If the package status will be ignored (more precisely overwritten) what is the point of setting it in the first place? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #16 from sh@novell.com 2007-01-15 07:27 MST ------- I give up replying to this. You don't even try to read my comments. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=233350 ------- Comment #17 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-01-15 08:01 MST ------- I have read them. Have you read mine? Should I attach screenshots? Any app CANNOT override silently user settings, come on: * user say do not format drive A -> tool says, surprise, let's format drive A and B * user says, keep it -> tool says, surprise, delete it If yast is about to ignore user decision than please don't pretend yast is listening to user. Disable any (ignored in future) option. And any package change is overwritten by yast -- what is the aim of this? So disable them. Do you have anything against disabling changing package status? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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