[Bug 687439] New: Untie Installation Auto Change Of Language and Keyboard - Localisation Issue
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439#c0 Summary: Untie Installation Auto Change Of Language and Keyboard - Localisation Issue Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 11.5 Version: Factory Platform: All OS/Version: openSUSE 11.3 Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Installation AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: scott@aphofis.com QAContact: jsrain@novell.com Found By: --- Blocker: --- User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.16) Gecko/20110319 SUSE/3.6.16-0.2.1 Firefox/3.6.16 I'll Try one final time to stress the problems that having Dictionary and Keyboard tied together result in a mostly unusable Installation in Australia where there are 4 only Members. This is my 3rd and final try just to get a common sense change or bug corrected as there is NO logic in tying Language to Keyboard type in any English speaking Country except the USA and U.K and last time I looked there are a huge number of English speaking countries where this 'logic' has NO Logic! Australians will NOT use a US dictionary what-so-ever and in the absence of an OZ Dictionary will always select English UK. Upon making this change the installation goes ahead and installs a U.K Keyboard. Australia has never and will never use any other Keyboard call or layout other than default US. Outcome, the Installer will always pick up on the selection of a English U.K Dictionary and change it without hesitation. What the Installer does not realise is that the Keyboard type gets auto changed to a UK Keyboard and is almost assured that this takes place without notice. Result: At the end of the Installation the users Keyboard will not function as we hold the keyboard standard of a US 101 Enhanced. The UK Keyboard has a huge number of different keyboard calls than the US Keyboard. For starters the UK Keyboard Installation will not respond to the Numbers Keyboard pad. Next Uppercase 4 will not give an Australian $ symbol and a vast number of lower and upper case special characters produce very uncertain results! The worst outcome is the KDE installation Configure Desktop will auto contain every U.K convention from currency to location to just about everything we take for granted. Before the new installer gets a change to work out why things just wont work they have already reached for their Windows DVD to reformat the drive and not waste time on they why's There is a small indication at time of boot to change the default Keyboard, however its far too subtle to be noticed. Please just untie the Language version with the Keyboard version and you may very well see a far greater acceptance of opensuse in Australia. There is absolutely No Logic in the current setup what-so-ever in a global market Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Perform an Installation 2. 3. Actual Results: As Above Expected Results: It works correctly and with logic! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439#c2 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |scott@aphofis.com --- Comment #2 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> 2011-07-20 09:40:08 UTC --- Well, we've had this this discussion already (e.g. bug 656023) I'll also try one more time. Let me ask you question: in the initial screen you have the option to select both Language and Keyboard layout. You can set both of them to whatever you want. Can you actually try it? In other words, how many clicks in the initial page do you need to setup correctly what you want? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439#c3 Scott Couston <scott@aphofis.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW CC| |scott@aphofis.com InfoProvider|scott@aphofis.com | --- Comment #3 from Scott Couston <scott@aphofis.com> 2011-07-23 01:24:19 UTC --- First may I ask you what is your logic for tying them together when this tether is only resident in the UK/USA and there are many English speaking countries that this preface works for My issue is that there is absolutely NO logic in tying Keyboard to Language. The current logic will only work with the US and UK People. ANY other English speaking country will want a UK language but we all use a US Keyboard. I trust you have notes that after changing the language module to UK the keyboard changes to UK. The user needs to go back and then change back to a US Keyboard. The problem is the user first changes the US dictionary to UK but is unaware they the Keyboard gets auto changed..This result in not resetting the Keyboard type to US is an easy one - At the finish of the install and reboot the system is totally useless as all the US Keyboard calls are incorrect for the US Keyboard with a UK language. You guys need to get out of the Northern Hemisphere as by not correct this you are massively hindering over 60 other Enight (UK) speaking Countries that use US101 Enhanced Keyboards. Assign or wontfit -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439#c4 --- Comment #4 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> 2011-07-25 06:54:13 UTC --- Created an attachment (id=441966) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=441966) screenshot of first step of installation (In reply to comment #3)
My issue is that there is absolutely NO logic in tying Keyboard to Language.
The current logic will only work with the US and UK People.
So, there is a logic. Yes, it works for US and UK only, but don't say there's 'absolutely NO logic'. And remember, there are also other languages than English, where it usually works well. It's true it does not work automatically for some, like Australian users. So they have to select their keyboard layout manually. (BTW, I have to do it myself when I am selecting Czech language and US keyboard). But we cannot please all users, so we decided to please some (we hope most); the way for the others is not really harder, it's just one more click in the initial screen.
I trust you have notes that after changing the language module to UK the keyboard changes to UK. The user needs to go back and then change back to a US Keyboard.
You do not have to 'go back' in any way. You have both selections at one page as seen in the attached screenshot. Yes, it would be an option to add "English (AU)" option, like you write in bug 656023. But this is what you write as well: "The list would go on for all the other English Commonwealth Countries - Canada- African Countries etc. up to about 65 or so." and that is a problem: adding more and more languages is adding more entropy and making the installation less usable for the other users. So I think it is correct decision to have automatic proposal which helps most users, while others just select differently. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=687439#c5 Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |DUPLICATE --- Comment #5 from Jiří Suchomel <jsuchome@novell.com> 2011-07-25 06:54:37 UTC --- dup *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 656023 *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=656023 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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