[Bug 732914] New: Questionable installation day for some packages

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27 Nov 2011 27 Nov '11

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c0 Summary: Questionable installation day for some packages Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE 12.1 Version: Final Platform: x86-64 OS/Version: SuSE Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Installation AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: Markus.Elfring@web.de QAContact: jsrain@suse.com Found By: --- Blocker: --- I have accidentally looked for a few packages at installation time stamps on the tab "Technical data" in the application "YaST2 software management". Examples: Do 10 Nov 2011 17:13:03 CET bzip2-1.0.6-14.1.4 Do 10 Nov 2011 17:14:42 CET util-linux-2.20.1-1.6.1 Do 10 Nov 2011 17:15:23 CET grub-0.97-177.1.2 elfring@Sonne:~> rpm -qa --last | grep '10 Nov 2011' | wc -l 494 How can it be recorded that these packages were installed before I installed openSUSE 12.1 on a new hard disk yesterday? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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8 Mar 8 Mar

14:32

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c1 kk zhang changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |CLOSED CC| |kkzhang@novell.com Resolution| |NORESPONSE --- Comment #1 from kk zhang 2012-03-08 14:32:41 UTC --- Long time no response.So closed.Feel free to reopen it.Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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9 Mar 9 Mar

10:37

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c2 Markus Elfring changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|CLOSED |REOPENED Resolution|NORESPONSE | --- Comment #2 from Markus Elfring 2012-03-09 10:37:11 UTC --- (In reply to comment #1) I would appreciate a more constructive response. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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29 Mar 29 Mar

07:06

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c3 kk zhang changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |Markus.Elfring@web.de --- Comment #3 from kk zhang 2012-03-29 07:06:18 UTC --- Sorry,it is my mistake. Thank you for your report,Could you please provide y2logs according to the following URL?Thank you. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bugreport_YaST. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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10:14

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c4 Markus Elfring changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |REOPENED InfoProvider|Markus.Elfring@web.de | --- Comment #4 from Markus Elfring 2012-03-29 10:14:04 UTC --- (In reply to comment #3) I can not provide log records from November 2011 any more. Does anybody other (than me) notice also recorded time stamps that differ from the time frame of a performed software installation? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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5 Apr 5 Apr

10:02

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c kk zhang changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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14:28

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c5 Jiří Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO CC| |jsuchome@suse.com InfoProvider| |Markus.Elfring@web.de --- Comment #5 from Jiří Suchomel 2012-04-05 14:28:48 UTC --- I assume the reason is that the packages are actually not installed as rpm's during installation, but the images (containing large set of packages) are deployed to your system (this makes installation go faster). Thus, I'd expect those times are actually from creating the image and not from actuall installation. You can uncheck "Installation from Images" during the initial workflow if you do not want this, but traditional rpm install for each package. The problem could be, if the packages you are referring to are not from initial installation, but installed later. Are they? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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15:40

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c6 Markus Elfring changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |REOPENED InfoProvider|Markus.Elfring@web.de | --- Comment #6 from Markus Elfring 2012-04-05 15:40:44 UTC --- (In reply to comment #5) I refer to an initial installation here. Do the components of these images correspond to the time stamp "10 Nov 2011" for example? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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6 Apr 6 Apr

06:09

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c7 Jiří Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #7 from Jiří Suchomel 2012-04-06 06:09:18 UTC --- Well, initially I guessed so. Now I looked into the installation image file (openSUSE-12.1-DVD-x86_64.iso) and saw that files in 'images' subdirectory have all 10 Nov 2011 as last modification time. So I think we have the explanation and can close the bug, right? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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16:00

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c8 --- Comment #8 from Markus Elfring 2012-04-06 16:00:35 UTC --- (In reply to comment #7) Does the documentation and installation help mention already such an effect on the time stamp if these image files will be reused? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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10 Apr 10 Apr

06:31

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c9 Jiří Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ke@suse.com --- Comment #9 from Jiří Suchomel 2012-04-10 06:31:42 UTC --- Not in help texts. I'm not sure about documentation - Karl? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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16 Apr 16 Apr

07:34

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c10 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |fs@suse.com --- Comment #10 from Karl Eichwalder 2012-04-16 09:34:45 CEST --- (In reply to comment #9)

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Not in help texts. I'm not sure about documentation - Karl?

"Installation from Images" is documented in the Reference Guide (1.12.9, in SVN). To avoid confusion it would probably help to add a warning about the time stamp of packages that are installed during image deployment. If you think that's needed, please reopen this bug and make it a documentation enhancement. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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09:14

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c11 Markus Elfring changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Component|Installation |Documentation Resolution|INVALID | AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |ke@suse.com QAContact|jsrain@suse.com |ke@suse.com --- Comment #11 from Markus Elfring 2012-04-16 09:14:40 UTC --- (In reply to comment #10) I would appreciate corresponding improvements for the installation help and documentation. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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09:30

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c12 Frank Sundermeyer changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |CLOSED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #12 from Frank Sundermeyer 2012-04-16 09:30:30 UTC --- Added a note to the Reference Guide for 12.2: Installation Time Stamps The RPM database keeps track of the date a package was last installed or updated (check with for example rpm -qa --last). When installing from images, the timestamps of all packages originating from the images, does not match the installation date but rather the date the image was created. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c13 --- Comment #13 from Markus Elfring 2012-04-16 09:40:50 UTC --- (In reply to comment #12) Can a similar information be displayed by the user interface of the installation system? Does any special package attribute make it possible to distinguish the applied installation source afterwards so that inappropriate actions for such time stamps can be eventually avoided? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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10:25

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c14 Markus Elfring changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|CLOSED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #14 from Markus Elfring 2012-04-16 10:25:11 UTC --- (In reply to comment #12) How do you think about a bit fine-tuning for this wording? - images, the timestamps of all packages originating from the images, does + images, the time stamps of all packages originating from the images do -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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17 Apr 17 Apr

13:35

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c15 Karl Eichwalder changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #15 from Karl Eichwalder 2012-04-17 15:35:25 CEST --- (In reply to comment #14)

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(In reply to comment #12)

How do you think about a bit fine-tuning for this wording?

- images, the timestamps of all packages originating from the images, does + images, the time stamps of all packages originating from the images do

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13:36

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c16 --- Comment #16 from Karl Eichwalder 2012-04-17 15:36:55 CEST --- (In reply to comment #13)

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(In reply to comment #12)

Can a similar information be displayed by the user interface of the installation system?

Does any special package attribute make it possible to distinguish the applied installation source afterwards so that inappropriate actions for such time stamps can be eventually avoided?

Since the "bug" is now documented, I'd like to propose to discuss the rest on the yast devel list (or create a new bug, etc.). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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13:51

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c17 --- Comment #17 from Markus Elfring 2012-04-17 13:51:17 UTC --- (In reply to comment #16) I would prefer to clarify the suggested addition for the installation help system by the means of this issue tracker. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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13:55

New subject: [Bug 732914] Questionable installation day for some packages

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c18 Jiří Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|ke@suse.com |jsuchome@suse.com --- Comment #18 from Jiří Suchomel 2012-04-17 13:55:45 UTC --- I'll adapt the help text. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c19 --- Comment #19 from Jiří Suchomel 2012-04-17 14:04:39 UTC --- (In reply to comment #18)

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I'll adapt the help text.

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6 Jun 6 Jun

14:00

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732914#c20 --- Comment #20 from Bernhard Wiedemann 2012-06-06 16:00:07 CEST --- This is an autogenerated message for OBS integration: This bug (732914) was mentioned in https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/123843 Factory / yast2-installation -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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