[Bug 246158] New: Fallback to VGA, if X.org cannot be started
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 Summary: Fallback to VGA, if X.org cannot be started Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: Final Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Enhancement Priority: P5 - None Component: X.Org AssignedTo: sndirsch@novell.com ReportedBy: sven.burmeister@gmx.net QAContact: sndirsch@novell.com Many people have problems if they have to work on the CLI. So if they messed up X.org in a way that it does not start anymore, they are in trouble. For those it would be very useful, if there was a standard xorg.conf that has a very basic, but always working configuartion. In case X.org fails to start, it should be started with that config-file instead of leaving the user at the CLI. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 sndirsch@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED ------- Comment #1 from sndirsch@novell.com 2007-02-16 03:21 MST ------- It seems with CLI you mean command line interface. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 sndirsch@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mhopf@novell.com, eich@novell.com, ms@novell.com ------- Comment #2 from sndirsch@novell.com 2007-02-16 03:41 MST ------- Such a fallback has been discussed often in the past. I'll attach an email by Egbert with a proposal. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 ------- Comment #3 from sven.burmeister@gmx.net 2007-02-16 03:42 MST ------- Yes, that's what I meant. BTW, one does not even have to mess up xorg.conf, but e.g. buy a new graphics-card or update the kernel without having the binary driver's update-source in YaST. Although there are some graphical-installers for binary-drivers, e.g. the Ati one, it is of no use, if there is no X running. So if X would at least come up in 640x480 after a kernel-update, the user could start the graphical-installer to install the driver. Although it never happened to me, some people claimed that some online-update broke their xorg.conf, which would be a lot less severe, if the user would get a working X anyway in order to use a non-cli editor to have a look at the config-files or logs. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 sndirsch@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |aceler@gmail.com ------- Comment #5 from sndirsch@novell.com 2007-03-13 09:07 MST ------- *** Bug 254051 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 ------- Comment #6 from aceler@gmail.com 2007-03-13 09:44 MST ------- Ok, what is my proposal. First (simple): 1) add /etc/X11/xorg.conf.default with default failsafe configuration. 2) add some code to startx (or x, I don't know exactly) script, which will check if Xorg started (for example, with tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "no screens found") and, if not, starts X with /etc/X11/xorg.conf.default automatically. Second (not so simple): Write down a new application, which will catch when the Xorg fails, and ask user about 2 things: 1. Start GUI with failsafe mode (still /ect/X11/xorg.conf.default) or 2. Start GUI with last known good config (which will create automatically somewhere when Xorg starts normally). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 ------- Comment #7 from sven.burmeister@gmx.net 2007-06-10 10:56 MST ------- Any progress on this issue? Does the "Failsafe" grub-entry use a failsafe xorg.conf which enables the user to use X? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 ------- Comment #8 from sndirsch@novell.com 2007-06-10 13:50 MST ------- No. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 ------- Comment #9 from sven.burmeister@gmx.net 2007-06-10 14:26 MST ------- Would it be possible to have Failsafe from the boot-menu use a failsafe xorg.conf then?, as a minimal implementation. Could you please attach the email mentioned in comment #2? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 ------- Comment #10 from sndirsch@novell.com 2007-06-10 14:32 MST ------- (In reply to comment #9)
Could you please attach the email mentioned in comment #2? No. This is only for internal discussion.
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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 ------- Comment #11 from sven.burmeister@gmx.net 2007-06-10 14:53 MST ------- Sorry if this sounds rude, but if there is no progress within 4 months and apparently not result either, what kind of discussion is going on internally? Where did it get stuck? Whether this is neccessary or not, or which way to go? To the user it is not really important how this works, just that there is a working X no matter whether the issue was caused by changing the graphics-board, some online-update or a self-compiled kernel-module. I know that people, including me, do not like the argument, but Windows has been able to handle this issue for years and it really should not take another 8 months to get this into opensuse. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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This would require the user to briefly log in on the text console and run the
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# Needs changes in kernel commandline of "Failsafe" entry in # /boot/grub/menu.lst. # # * use the same "vga" option value as in the non-"Failsafe" entry # * remove "3" option (runlevel) # * add "x11failsafe" option
Coolo, this would require changes in our bootloader and our failsafe mode will change to a grahical one. Not sure if this would be appreciated. Please comment. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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I guess that's a good change. Thanks.
For the bootloader change, you need to create a new bug for yast2-bootloader. done (Bug #352020). It's marked as enhancement. Jozef, any chance to get this implemented still for openSUSE 11.0?
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For the bootloader change, you need to create a new bug for yast2-bootloader. done (Bug #352020). It's marked as enhancement. Jozef, any chance to get this implemented still for openSUSE 11.0?
I attached a patch proposal to Bug #352020. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246158 Bug 246158 depends on bug 352020, which changed state. Bug 352020 Summary: Graphical failsafe mode https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=352020 What |Old Value |New Value ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Status|NEW |ASSIGNED Status|ASSIGNED |NEEDINFO Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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