https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205 User meissner@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205#c1 Marcus Meissner changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |bluedzins@wp.pl --- Comment #1 from Marcus Meissner 2009-01-14 16:20:58 MST --- also the power cord is completely mislabeled, its even easier to turn off the computer with it. What is the actualy problem? That they cause a reboot? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205 User devzero@web.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205#c3 roland kletzing changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |devzero@web.de --- Comment #3 from roland kletzing 2009-01-31 03:10:47 MST --- hello. i think this was a misunderstanding and the power-cord thing was just meant ironically. if your power button does not shutdown the computer and ctr-alt-del does not trigger a shutdown/reboot, too, i think it`s very specific problem of your system and not general behaviour. can you do a "tail -f /var/log/messages" and press the power-button or ctrl-alt-del then? you should see some additional lines of message shortly after. can you post that here? also, please post details about your hardware -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205 User llipavsky@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205#c5 Lukas Lipavsky changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |llipavsky@novell.com --- Comment #5 from Lukas Lipavsky 2009-02-18 07:36:19 MST --- Ctrl+Alt+Del is disabled intentionally in X session so user does not reboot the machine accidentally. "CAD" is used e.g. while working with windows in VMware etc... If user really wants to reboot, switching to console and then pressing "CAD" should work -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205 User llipavsky@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205#c7 --- Comment #7 from Lukas Lipavsky 2009-02-18 08:16:13 MST --- (In reply to comment #6)

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Ctrl+Alt+Del is disabled intentionally in X session so user does not reboot the machine accidentally.

What is the chance user would press _3_ keys altogether by accident? They are three, not one exactly for that purpose -- preventing accident pressing.

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"CAD" is used e.g. while working with windows in VMware etc...

It is the same shortcut for shutting down the system so where is the conflict?

No, you want to send "CAD" to the system in VMware and not to the local system. This behavior is usual in Linux distributions for several years now... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205 Cyril Hrubis changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.pr |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |ovo.novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205#c10 --- Comment #10 from Maciej Pilichowski 2009-03-10 03:32:44 MST --- Jiri, I really am disturbed how you get those conclusions. For example: * you say CAD should be blocked, <the reason> * shutting down X11 should not be blocked -- and somehow this reason from above does not apply It is funny that CAD or power button can be pressed by accident, but all of the sudden ctrl+alt+backspace is always pressed intentionally. How is this possible?

users may tend to use this combination to reboot the guest machine.

Uhm, and the guest machine is... opensuse. So you say the user would like to use CAD in opensuse but on the other hand you have to prevent using it by the user? Reopening, it makes no sense. If I am not right, please explain this to me how _installer_ of opensuse 11.1 is able to play a role of host system and run vmware/virtualbox on the side. However I didn't get why you started with guest/host system anyway, because it has nothing to do with this report.

Switching to text console (or shutting down X11) first is common practice,

Do you use Gnome or KDE? You really switch to text console in order to turn off computer? Or you just press power off button? Even my Mom does this. The way you force user to make hoops just to do such simple task as switching off computer is not acceptable -- it is completely not intuitive. Every computer has button "power off". This button is for shutting down computer. And using _it_ is common practice. Please respect this.

current behavior is what most of the users expect.

Can I see a survey backing up this claim?

From my experience I've never seen user afraid of pressing power off button, and despite it could be "dangerous" as well as within installer, I never saw one mistake.

Btw. please see comment #4.c -- this is bug on its own, another reason this issue is valid. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205 User jsrain@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205#c12 Jiri Srain changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |bluedzins@wp.pl --- Comment #12 from Jiri Srain 2009-03-10 04:50:17 MST --- Current CAD behavior is what has been here for years; if you intend to change it, you had better discuss it on relevant mailing lists to have broader agreement. Until the expectation of most of the users is changed, current behavior is correct. Regarding 4c: works for me; maybe too short time between pushing Ctrl + Alt + BackSpace and CAD? Can you check and wait until the text console appears before CAD? Regarding power button: You can change its behavior in the powersave applet - some prefer shut down, I use it to suspend. To switch the computer off, I usually go via the KDE menu. During installation, when you don't have full system running (and don't handle ACPI events), you can always switch the computer by pushig the power button for 4 seconds (or something like that) - that's standart behavior. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205 User jsrain@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=466205#c14 Jiri Srain changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #14 from Jiri Srain 2009-03-10 05:54:24 MST --- I suggest you can use factory for this purpose. Sorry, back-space for shutting down X11 (and switching to console), meant Ctrl+Alt+F1. Anyway, if CAD, switch to console, CAD does not work for you, it sounds hardware specific (works for me), please, write a separate bugreport and limit it to this specific case. This one solves too many cases. During installation, you don't have the ACPI stack running or available - and even if you had, there is no clean shut-down (including unmounting filesystem) implemented in the installation system. Since everything needs to be in memory, it is trade-off: You can have additional functionality but need to pay for it with memory consumption (resulting in unability to install on some machines). The push for lower memory requirements for installation is quite high, the benefit of ACPI stack is not that inmportant. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.