[Bug 462478] New: kdm fails to load on startup
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 Summary: kdm fails to load on startup Product: openSUSE 11.1 Version: Final Platform: i686 OS/Version: openSUSE 11.1 Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: KDE4 Workspace AssignedTo: kde-maintainers@suse.de ReportedBy: suse+build@de-korte.org QAContact: qa@suse.de Found By: Customer Upon startup, the GUI (KDE4/kdm) fails to load, although the output of the startup script indicates 'done'. After logging in as 'root' and running 'rckdm restart', it works again and I can login as usual. It seems to timeout somehow, but I fail to see where. What logs/configfiles are needed to find the cause of this? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User suse+build@de-korte.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c1 --- Comment #1 from Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> 2008-12-25 13:30:05 MST --- Problem seems to be fixed by changing ServerTimeout in /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc from the default of 15 to 30 seconds. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User llunak@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c2 Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |suse+build@de-korte.org --- Comment #2 from Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> 2009-01-07 07:36:03 MST --- Please attach /var/log/kdm.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log after it doesn't work. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User suse+build@de-korte.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c3 --- Comment #3 from Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> 2009-01-07 13:53:00 MST --- Created an attachment (id=263695) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=263695) /var/log/kdm.log -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User suse+build@de-korte.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c4 Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|suse+build@de-korte.org | --- Comment #4 from Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> 2009-01-07 13:53:41 MST --- Created an attachment (id=263696) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=263696) /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User suse+build@de-korte.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c5 --- Comment #5 from Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> 2009-01-07 14:01:53 MST --- Here they are. The problem is still the same (without the workaround mentioned in comment #1, it works flawlessly if 'ServerTimeout 30' is used) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User llunak@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c6 Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |suse+build@de-korte.org --- Comment #6 from Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> 2009-01-08 13:33:48 MST --- Does your X server actually really need more than 15 seconds to start up? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User suse+build@de-korte.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c7 Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|suse+build@de-korte.org | --- Comment #7 from Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> 2009-01-09 13:24:45 MST --- Yes. All that is needed to make it work again, is to increase the timeout (see comment #1, no further changes needed). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User llunak@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c8 Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|KDE4 Workspace |X.Org AssignedTo|kde-maintainers@suse.de |sndirsch@novell.com QAContact|qa@suse.de |xorg-maintainer-bugs@forge. | |provo.novell.com --- Comment #8 from Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> 2009-01-13 07:56:26 MST --- I don't find it reasonable for X to need more than 15 seconds to start up -> X.Org. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment #263695|text/x-log |text/plain mime type| | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment #263696|text/x-log |text/plain mime type| | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c9 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |suse+build@de-korte.org --- Comment #9 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2009-01-13 08:07:58 MST --- Most likely it's the initialization done in mga_hal module, a binary blob by Matrox, which you need for MergedFB (=Dualhead) support on Matrox cards, which takes that long. Could you verify by adding Option "NoHal" to 'Section "Device"' of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. BTW, please attach your xorg.conf file. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User lverhaegen@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c10 Luc Verhaegen <lverhaegen@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |a.stenglein@gmx.net --- Comment #10 from Luc Verhaegen <lverhaegen@novell.com> 2009-01-13 09:05:08 MST --- *** Bug 465112 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=465112 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User lverhaegen@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c11 Luc Verhaegen <lverhaegen@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lverhaegen@novell.com Component|X.Org |KDE4 Workspace AssignedTo|sndirsch@novell.com |kde-maintainers@suse.de QAContact|xorg-maintainer-bugs@forge. |qa@suse.de |provo.novell.com | --- Comment #11 from Luc Verhaegen <lverhaegen@novell.com> 2009-01-13 09:09:25 MST --- Lubos: There are plenty of reasons why X could take long to come up. This goes from bad driver code to bad hardware state and even idiotic X infrastructure. There is no changing this. There are other instances of kdm suddenly giving up on other drivers/hw as well. What changed that made kdm give up? What was the behaviour before that we never noticed this before? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |sndirsch@novell.com Info Provider|suse+build@de-korte.org |llunak@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|llunak@novell.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c12 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |llunak@novell.com --- Comment #12 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2009-01-13 09:20:12 MST --- Means, how did the ServerTimeout values of KDM4 *and* KDM3 change since previous openSUSE versions? Why has it been changed at all? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User llunak@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c13 Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|llunak@novell.com | --- Comment #13 from Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> 2009-01-13 09:45:20 MST --- The value for ServerTimeout in e.g. openSUSE10.3 is 15 as well, so I don't think anything has been changed, at least not intentionally. So you suggest the timeout is increased to 30? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c14 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |koenig@linux.de, | |koenig@science-computing.de --- Comment #14 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2009-01-13 09:57:54 MST --- IIRC we had reports against NVIDIA driver, where even a ServerTimeout of 60s were required. Harald? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User koenig@linux.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c15 --- Comment #15 from Harald Koenig <koenig@linux.de> 2009-01-13 10:17:46 MST --- (In reply to comment #14)
IIRC we had reports against NVIDIA driver, where even a ServerTimeout of 60s were required. Harald?
see Bug #448739: not neccessarily 60 seconds, but longer than 30s because of some kernel problems hanging/looping in open("/dev/nvidia") for the 177.82 nvidia driver -- so 60s is a good choice and works for me [TM]. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c16 --- Comment #16 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2009-01-13 10:29:25 MST --- Thanks for prompt response, Harald. I suggest to change ServerTimeout to 60. At least for SLE11 and Factory. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User lverhaegen@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c17 --- Comment #17 from Luc Verhaegen <lverhaegen@novell.com> 2009-01-13 10:51:44 MST --- *** Bug 448739 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448739 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User suse+build@de-korte.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c18 --- Comment #18 from Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> 2009-01-13 13:52:18 MST --- Created an attachment (id=264885) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=264885) /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User suse+build@de-korte.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c19 --- Comment #19 from Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> 2009-01-13 13:56:12 MST --- (In reply to comment #9)
Most likely it's the initialization done in mga_hal module, a binary blob by Matrox, which you need for MergedFB (=Dualhead) support on Matrox cards, which takes that long. Could you verify by adding
Option "NoHal"
That solved the problem of kdm not starting up without overriding ServerTimeout. It seems to have a side effect of slightly changing the timing however, so my monitor started to complain about unsupported vertical timing. This is probably related to the Matrox G550.
to 'Section "Device"' of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. BTW, please attach your xorg.conf file.
Done. Although I doubt this is relevant anymore, since this seems to go into the direction of increasing the default ServerTimeout to 60 seconds, which suits me fine too. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment #264885|application/octet-stream |text/plain mime type| | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c20 --- Comment #20 from Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@novell.com> 2009-01-13 14:09:39 MST --- (In reply to comment #19)
That solved the problem of kdm not starting up without overriding ServerTimeout. It seems to have a side effect of slightly changing the timing however, so my monitor started to complain about unsupported vertical timing. This is probably related to the Matrox G550.
It's related to mga_hal module no longer being used.
to 'Section "Device"' of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. BTW, please attach your xorg.conf file.
Done. Although I doubt this is relevant anymore, since this seems to go into the direction of increasing the default ServerTimeout to 60 seconds, which suits me fine too.
That's correct. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User suse+build@de-korte.org added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c21 --- Comment #21 from Arjen de Korte <suse+build@de-korte.org> 2009-01-14 08:06:54 MST --- (In reply to comment #1)
Problem seems to be fixed by changing ServerTimeout in /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc from the default of 15 to 30 seconds.
A much better solution for people using Matrox graphics adapters that are suffering from the same problem is to try to upgrade the BIOS of the graphics adapter. In my Matrox G550 (and also the G450), the latest version available from the Matrox website added VBE/DDC capabilities, which dramatically speeds up loading the X server (from about 20-25 seconds to almost immediate). It looks like probing for VBE/DDC (and failing) is causing loooooooong delays (twice, actually). Option "NoHal" will remove one of these and makes the X server barely meet the default 15 seconds ServerTimeout. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User llunak@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c22 Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #22 from Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> 2009-01-14 11:09:26 MST --- (In reply to comment #16)
I suggest to change ServerTimeout to 60. At least for SLE11 and Factory.
Ok, submitted. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User llunak@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c23 Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |nice@titanic.nyme.hu --- Comment #23 from Lubos Lunak <llunak@novell.com> 2009-01-30 11:02:32 MST --- *** Bug 467760 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467760 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478 User swamp@suse.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462478#c24 Swamp Workflow Management <swamp@suse.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status Whiteboard| |maint:released:11.1:22677 --- Comment #24 from Swamp Workflow Management <swamp@suse.com> 2009-03-09 11:18:24 MST --- Update released for: kde4-kdm, kde4-kdm-branding-upstream, kde4-kgreeter-plugins, kde4-kwin, kdebase4-workspace, kdebase4-workspace-branding-upstream, kdebase4-workspace-devel, kdebase4-workspace-ksysguardd, kdebluetooth4 Products: openSUSE 11.1 (debug, i586, ppc, x86_64) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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