https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User kkaempf@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c1 --- Comment #1 from Klaus Kämpf 2008-05-13 02:29:39 MST --- Created an attachment (id=214632) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=214632) zypper.log -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User schubi@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c3 Stefan Schubert changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |kkaempf@novell.com --- Comment #3 from Stefan Schubert 2008-05-15 10:46:25 MST --- comment #1: 1. I cannot see anything concerning the package zypper in the logfiles. But it seems that Jano has already fixed. 2. "zypper (resp. sat-solver) should only honor those recommends/supplements which belong to the current transaction" That would break our new feature installing language depend packages or additional kmp packages if a repo or a new hardware has been installed by the user. comment #2: a, see above b, That would be too generally and not understandable for the user while future zypper/UI calls. Klaus, how to go on ? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User mls@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c5 --- Comment #5 from Michael Schröder 2008-05-20 09:44:03 MST --- No, this suggestion is not the way to go. It's confusing and non-intuitive. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c7 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |visnov@novell.com --- Comment #7 from Ján Kupec 2008-05-20 12:03:12 MST --- (In reply to comment #6 from Ján Kupec)

(In reply to comment #3 from Stefan Schubert)

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comment #1: 2. "zypper (resp. sat-solver) should only honor those recommends/supplements which belong to the current transaction" That would break our new feature installing language depend packages or additional kmp packages if a repo or a new hardware has been installed by the user.

Whooo, may be a cool feature, but also one of the most annoying ones, really. Especially if we don't provide a way to get away with these automatic additional packages!

But nevertheless, is the feature supposed to work like this? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User coolo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c9 --- Comment #9 from Stephan Kulow 2008-05-20 13:33:47 MST --- you want "zypper mr -e factory" to install new hardware supplements? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User schubi@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c11 Stefan Schubert changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |schubi@novell.com AssignedTo|schubi@novell.com |kkaempf@novell.com --- Comment #11 from Stefan Schubert 2008-05-21 02:16:43 MST --- Sorry, that I have partial missunderstood: "IMO, b) would be a good solution. Why do you think it would confuse users? You run zypper in, check what it's going to install, you don't like it, you retry with --no-recomends, you like it. Soft locks saved, you won't see the then would-be-selected recommends automatically popping up again. What's wrong with that?" Yes, that would be a solution from the technical side, but how do we explain the user that the flag --no-recomends means the same as the keep state ? ("We are not regarding these current evaluated and recommended packages for ALL future calls until you call would-be-selected in the zypper") Anyway I still think that this problem will not hit 90 percent of the normal user and 0 percent of the users which are using YaST and zypper only: Our distri will be installed/updated by YaST in most of the cases. The user deselects packages which he does not want to install. These packages will not be regarded in the future anymore (keep state) If the user add a new repo then - new language packages will be selected for the selected languages - new hardware packages will be installed for the installed hardware If the user add new hardware then - new hardware packages will be installed For both cases the user can still decide not to install these proposed packages and they will not be regarded in the future. I have had yesterday a short discussion with Klaus and he has given me his valid objection: If the user use rpm or other tools (e.g. smart) this mechanism does not work. We have come to the convention that we will not solve this problem for 11.0 cause we do not have a real concept here now. comment #10 says all: "Something more like...." We will have to define it before we implementing it :-) Assign to Klaus. He has said that he will push it. Thank you, Klaus. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User coolo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c13 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flag| |SHIP_STOPPER+ --- Comment #13 from Stephan Kulow 2008-05-21 03:06:05 MST --- #10 - "zypper verify" could do that too - for all solvables, not just hardware. Michl says, the bug is ugly but simply reverting to 10.3 behaviour is worse. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User schubi@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c15 --- Comment #15 from Stefan Schubert 2008-05-21 03:29:59 MST --- "BTW, '--no-recommends' is not documented in man page." I have seen it with "zypper in --help" -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User mls@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c17 --- Comment #17 from Michael Schröder 2008-05-21 05:53:14 MST --- Please do *not* make --no-recommends the default. I want 'zypper in kernel-smp' to install the corresponding kmps for that kernel. If you want to make things easier for people that use 'rpm' a lot, please add something like 'zypper --update-softlocks', which updates the soft locks so that the recommended packages don't get installed. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c19 --- Comment #19 from Ján Kupec 2008-05-21 06:21:56 MST --- comment #17: I agree that --no-recommends shouldn't be the default. Special option for 'no recommends + save softlocks' seems good to me. But how to name it? --update-softlocks is not bad, but it's not obvious that it will also do --no-recommends for that operation. Can't think of other, though... BTW, i hope we will introduce .zypperrc after 11.0, that will solve the problem of defaults :O) But comment #18 should still be solved. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c21 --- Comment #21 from Ján Kupec 2008-05-21 07:11:44 MST --- (In reply to comment #20 from Michael Schroeder)

I meant "--update-softlocks" without any other arguments. It would set the soft locks so that all recommended packages that aren't installed are added.

That wouldn't be too useful, especially after we introduce .zypperrc. What would make sense IMO is to save the softlocks for the recommends for the specific operation, like 'install foo' (those which --no-recommends would ignore during that operation).

Regarding #18: Maybe it doesn't make sense for zypper, but it makes sense for the yast UI.

Sure. Yast users will just deselect what they don't like and the softlocks will be saved (??) for such packages. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c25 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|visnov@novell.com | Status Whiteboard| |in-svn --- Comment #25 from Ján Kupec 2008-05-25 07:56:09 MDT --- (comment #24, ok, sounds reasonable) FIXED in svn, to be in libzypp > 4.25.0, zypper 0.11.5. $ zypper in foo Reading installed packages... 'foo' not found. Nothing to do. $ zypper inr Reading installed packages... The following NEW package is going to be installed: yast2-trans-en_US -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User coolo@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c28 Stephan Kulow changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|kkaempf@novell.com |zypp-maintainers@forge.provo.novell.com Severity|Blocker |Enhancement Status|ASSIGNED |NEW Component|libzypp |libzypp Product|openSUSE 11.0 |openSUSE 11.1 QAContact|dmacvicar@novell.com |qa@suse.de Version|Beta 2 |Alpha 0 Flag|SHIP_STOPPER+ |SHIP_STOPPER- --- Comment #28 from Stephan Kulow 2008-05-26 07:55:44 MDT --- ok, leaving the bug open because of #24 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389694#c30 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Enhancement |Blocker Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED Status Whiteboard|in-svn | --- Comment #30 from Ján Kupec 2008-05-26 09:27:32 MDT --- nope, closing (submitted). i added comment #24 to my todo's. feel free to file new bug report for it if you want. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.