https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 jimmac@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED ------- Comment #1 from jimmac@novell.com 2007-04-25 05:53 MST ------- After some thought and discussions with Robert, I agree this is an issue due to the fact that elements of the official logo are used. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 jimmac@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|DUPLICATE | ------- Comment #3 from jimmac@novell.com 2007-04-25 06:39 MST ------- darn, wrong bug. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 aj@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |aj@novell.com ------- Comment #5 from aj@novell.com 2007-04-25 10:08 MST ------- Do you have a screenshot or photo of the wrong branding? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 ------- Comment #7 from s.handgraaf@xs4all.nl 2007-04-25 14:00 MST ------- (In reply to comment #4)

I really like the proposed chameleon branding, and I've only heard praise for the proposed design. I also see no reason why we can't use other artwork in addition to the traditional chameleon logo. I suggest discussing this fully before ruining very popular designs.

I can not fully agree with the proposed solution since this problem goes back to the basics of branding. We have official branding, the official chameleon. Now suddenly since some people like the new design this time we should ask to drop the official branding? I think the discussion then should be why we have official branding. It is the whole concept how people recognize the distribution. The designs are subject to that, that is how branding works. Not other way around like I feel now is suggested. I propose to indeed discuss this issue, but start with making ground rules for branding. Then from there we can discuss how new designs can be implemented. Designing is a creative process, but is always done for a purpose. The purpose of branding is recognition, not changing designs because they look better. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 jimmac@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |ASSIGNED ------- Comment #9 from jimmac@novell.com 2007-04-25 14:34 MST ------- The major issue I see here is that part of the official logotype is being used in this playful take on the SUSE chameleon. I wouldn't rule out experimenting with the motive of a chameleon in the future, just being more careful about messing with the official logo in a way that's done in the bootsplash theme. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 s.handgraaf@xs4all.nl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Priority|P5 - None |P3 - Medium ------- Comment #11 from s.handgraaf@xs4all.nl 2007-04-25 16:05 MST ------- (In reply to comment #10)

Looking at official art (Samurai, Team Player and Basketball Player) when it comes to the chameleon, I don't really see a problem "messing" with it, apart from perhaps what's said in comment#9.

That the art you mention is not official branding art. Novell/SUSE plays with the chameloen alright, but never in such a way it is mixed on major points like the distribution or end branding. Besides that, branding is not something to mess around with on regular basis. Succesfull and well known brands seldom change logo's, styles etc. That is the whole concept of branding. That does not mean I am against playing at some moments, but how this is currently done and implemented is far from branding as objective. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 jonharson@gmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jonharson@gmail.com ------- Comment #13 from jonharson@gmail.com 2007-04-25 22:24 MST ------- Sometime you run on an oxymoron of a bug.... this is one of them. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 ------- Comment #15 from s.handgraaf@xs4all.nl 2007-04-26 06:02 MST ------- (In reply to comment #14)

and more complex (require more community votes) for branding change. (and Novell agreement too)

About Novell agreement. How is the current new chameleon artwork in complience with this?

That is, the SuSE chameleon was changed several times from SUSE 7.0 to 10.0 releases, so I believe this could be changed with new artwork in new release

My conclusion: SuSE/Novell was not very professional in branding the products. There is a big gap between other operating systems / distributions.

I think that stopping branding modifications completely is wrong, and it will result in ugly artwork *and* branding.

How does the latter match to stopping modification? Only in the very long run if the design is good. Since this is a community the votes will change over and over about different artwork.

I believe the rules must define acceptable way for brand evolution, as it occured from SUSE 7.x to the 10.x series.

Does SUSE/Novell have a protocol for this? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263881 ------- Comment #17 from s.handgraaf@xs4all.nl 2007-04-26 10:08 MST ------- (In reply to comment #16)

A big gap where? Microsoft have changed the windows logo with nearly every release, 3.1, 95, xp, vista have different versions of the windows logo at least. Apple have evolved their logo too, as have other linux distributions.

MS is years apart and only a very few major changes. 3.1, 95,98,ME: playfull. To XP major and then again only minor. Not to mention the name style which remained the same for over 20 years. Apple, subtile logo evolvement over years, almost none in years scale. RedHat? Fedora? Ubuntu? Compared to the SUSE changes still not comparable. And even if these examples evolve more frequent: why should opensuse? It is how we as a community adopt marketing and branding for our favorite distribution. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.