https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558 User mskibbe@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558#c1 Michael Skibbe <mskibbe@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #1 from Michael Skibbe <mskibbe@novell.com> 2008-01-31 02:34:46 MST --- first of all this bug is not Major! this is a normal bug. (In reply to comment #0 from Carlos Robinson)

It requires "Lchown", which comes in package "perl-lchown", which you forgot to include in the distro. Worse, rsnapshot does not depend on perl-lchown, the installer doesn't advise of this requirement.

i will fix this requirement

Further more, it is MNSHO that a backup application that claims success when it fact it failed utterly is a very bad backup app that should not have been included in opensuse as not having the expected quality! :-/

rsnapshot is imho the best tool to backup data over ssh/rsync/local/smb for more than one computer. i use this tool since months and it works fine - i never had problems before. no one knows each bug of an application (this is the first rsnapshot bug since rsnapshot is on opensuse). if you say a tool has a worse quality because it has one ugly bug what do you say about something like kde or the kernel which have hundreds of bugs.

I will have to search for another backup utility, as I wont be able to ever trust rsnapshot again even if it claimed success!

i will report such a "broken-by-concept"-problem on rsnapshot devel list. i hope they will think about return codes then and fix this issue. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558 User robin.listas@telefonica.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558#c2 --- Comment #2 from Carlos Robinson <robin.listas@telefonica.net> 2008-01-31 04:41:53 MST --- (In reply to comment #1 from Michael Skibbe)

first of all this bug is not Major! this is a normal bug.

Sorry, but that is not so. Per your company description at <https://bugzilla.novell.com/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_severity> ] Severity ] ------- ] ] This field describes the impact of a bug. ] Blocker Blocks development and/or testing work ] Critical Crash, loss of data, corruption of data, severe memory leak ] Major Major loss of function ] Normal Non-major loss of function ] Minor Issue that can be viewed as trivial (e.g. cosmetic, UI, ] easily documented) ] Enhancement Request for enhancement This bug is reall "Major", as it the application involved has a "Major loss of function". I propose that you change it back to Major or change the definition of Major appropriately. Notice that the description doesn't say "loss of function in the distro", so most people assume it is "loss of function in the affected app"

(In reply to comment #0 from Carlos Robinson)

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It requires "Lchown", which comes in package "perl-lchown", which you forgot to include in the distro. Worse, rsnapshot does not depend on perl-lchown, the installer doesn't advise of this requirement.

i will fix this requirement

Thanks. You will have to include the package as well, it is not in the distro.

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Further more, it is MNSHO that a backup application that claims success when it fact it failed utterly is a very bad backup app that should not have been included in opensuse as not having the expected quality! :-/

rsnapshot is imho the best tool to backup data over ssh/rsync/local/smb for more than one computer. i use this tool since months and it works fine - i never had problems before. no one knows each bug of an application (this is the first rsnapshot bug since rsnapshot is on opensuse). if you say a tool has a worse quality because it has one ugly bug what do you say about something like kde or the kernel which have hundreds of bugs.

I consider claiming success when it failed completely is very very bad, imho. I can not trust a backup app that claims success and failed completely. It is two bugs: 1) the missing perl-lchown is not detected by " rsnapshot configtest" or later, unless I activate log verbosity 5, during normal run. And 2) it claims success when failing. It is the second one which I consider worst. A person might have it programmed in cron, check the log: success, success, success.... and there would be nothing done. It might take him sometime to discover that there is a problem. Look, I consider this application very interesting, and I'm surprised that nobody has found this problem before in 10.3. I didn't know it before and I'm in the process of testing possibilities, instead of using my own script with plain rsync. I was very disappointed to find it fail in such a way, I certainly didn't expect it, because I really wanted to use it. If I have been harsh is because I felt very disappointed after my expectations! (And yes, I also have reported bugs against the kernel, causing whole system crashes / lock-ups. This kernel is worse than 10.2's)

i will report such a "broken-by-concept"-problem on rsnapshot devel list. i hope they will think about return codes then and fix this issue.

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558 User robin.listas@telefonica.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558#c4 Carlos Robinson <robin.listas@telefonica.net> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|robin.listas@telefonica.net | --- Comment #4 from Carlos Robinson <robin.listas@telefonica.net> 2008-01-31 11:55:18 MST --- Created an attachment (id=192613) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=192613) configuration file as requested I have rechecked my configuration file and I can't see anything wrong, and "configtest" doesn't complain. I have followed the howto in: <http://www.rsnapshot.org/howto/1.2/rsnapshot-HOWTO.en.html#configuration> My modifications to the default config are (checked with "diff"): snapshot_root /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/ no_create_root 1 cmd_ssh /usr/bin/ssh #interval hourly 6 verbose 5 backup /home/ nimrodel_casa/ backup /etc/ mimrodel_syst/ backup /usr/local/ nimrodel_syst_usr_local/ The output (verbose = 5) is this: nimrodel:~ # rsnapshot configtest require Lchown Lchown module not found Syntax OK nimrodel:~ # time rsnapshot daily require Lchown Lchown module not found Setting locale to POSIX "C" echo 10682 > /var/run/rsnapshot.pid rm -f /var/run/rsnapshot.pid /bin/logger -i -p user.info -t rsnapshot /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily: \ completed successfully real 0m0.206s user 0m0.172s sys 0m0.024s -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558 User robin.listas@telefonica.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558#c7 --- Comment #7 from Carlos Robinson <robin.listas@telefonica.net> 2008-02-29 06:55:00 MST --- Sorry for the delay. The mail says: ] The main issue is that he has ] sync_first 1 ] and he is trying to follow the rsnapshot howto for 1.2, which assumes ] sync_first=0 (actually that version of the HowTo was written before ] sync_first was implemented). I am not aware of any newer howto ] (for rsnapshot 1.3). The problem is that "sync_first 1" is what the file "/etc/rsnapshot.conf.default" has. Those settings mentioned there as wrong are precisely the default configuration settings as distributed with opensuse 10.3. I didn't change them. "link_dest 1" is also in the default config file. I now did the recommended change to "sync_first 0", and tried a test backup: doesn't work, either. See: nimrodel:~ # time rsnapshot -t daily echo 13694 > /var/run/rsnapshot.pid mkdir -m 0755 -p /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/daily.0/ /usr/bin/rsync -a --delete --numeric-ids --relative --delete-excluded /home \ /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/daily.0/nimrodel/ mkdir -m 0755 -p /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/daily.0/ /usr/bin/rsync -a --delete --numeric-ids --relative --delete-excluded /etc \ /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/daily.0/mimrodel/ mkdir -m 0755 -p /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/daily.0/ /usr/bin/rsync -a --delete --numeric-ids --relative --delete-excluded \ /usr/local /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/daily.0/nimrodel/ touch /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/daily.0/ real 0m0.202s user 0m0.150s sys 0m0.040s There is nothing under "/mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot". I increase again verbosity level to "5", but there is nothing more. Nothing is written to "/var/log/rsnapshot", nor to the syslog. No directory was created: nimrodel:~ # l /mnt/usb/usb_sg60/rsnapshot/ total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 48 Jan 27 19:37 ./ drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 248 Jan 28 23:57 ../ I don't know what to try or do, since the howto is obviously wrong. For people that have used the program previously that might be ok, but for me, it is stumbling block. If I try a weekly backup, it says there is no daily one. As to try daily, hourly, etc... I would rather do backups when I please, and have them timestamped. But I don't know how to do that. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558 User hvogel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558#c8 Hendrik Vogelsang <hvogel@novell.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #8 from Hendrik Vogelsang <hvogel@novell.com> 2008-03-12 07:41:18 MST --- sync_first is not on in the default config anymore. this is the only "bug" that was in the package. That the configuration HOWTO is somewhat wrong is not a bug we can fix. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558 User hvogel@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558#c10 --- Comment #10 from Hendrik Vogelsang <hvogel@novell.com> 2008-03-12 08:36:43 MST --- This must be your configuration then # rpm -q rsnapshot rsnapshot-1.3.0-68 # diff /etc/rsnapshot.conf.default /etc/rsnapshot.conf 57c57 < cmd_ssh /path/to/ssh ---

cmd_ssh /usr/bin/ssh 176c176 < sync_first 1

# sync_first 0

# ls /.snapshots/hourly.0/localhost/ etc home usr # l /.snapshots/hourly.0/localhost/etc/fstab -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 922 Jan 8 12:55 /.snapshots/hourly.0/localhost/etc/fstab -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558 User miniwark@yahoo.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558#c12 Bertrand Lecervoisier <miniwark@yahoo.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |miniwark@yahoo.com Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #12 from Bertrand Lecervoisier <miniwark@yahoo.com> 2008-05-14 11:10:14 MST --- I have try rsnapshot too on Opensuse 10.2 using the 1.2.9-23 packaged version -> Just keeping the default config file and make # rsnapshot hourly do notning except creating the ./snapshots directory. ( Normaly at last /home ; /etc and /usr/local should be copied under /snapshots/hourly.0/localhost ) -> Changing "sync_first 1" to "sync_first 0" works :-) -> Setting the verbose level to 5 claim about the missing of Lchown as reported by Carlos but apparently package can make a hourly snapshot without it. -> Instaling the package perl-lchown from here : http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Archiving:/Backup/openSUSE_10.2/ - Correct the alert about lchwon - And work with "sync_first 0" option in config script -> Updating to rsnapshot 1.3 from Archiving:/Backup/openSUSE_10.2/ lead to default config file not working by default on openSUSE because of the following line : cmd_ssh /path/to/ssh -> Changing this line to cmd_ssh /usr/bin/ssh Give a fine working package :-) -> I reopen the ticket because : The actual distributed official package still have a little package bug : - Package install did not check for perl-lchown on onpenSUSE 10.2 - Have an error in the default config file The 1.3 package from /Archiving:/Backup/openSUSE_10.2/ : - Have a config file not adapted to OpenSuse default place for ssh executable See also for this bug : http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2008-01/msg03004.html -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558 User bernhardkausler@compuserve.de added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356558#c14 Bernhard Kausler <bernhardkausler@compuserve.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bernhardkausler@compuserve.de --- Comment #14 from Bernhard Kausler <bernhardkausler@compuserve.de> 2008-06-04 03:34:13 MDT --- Just to point it out: Rsnapshot has no "Major loss of function", but does just what is it told to do. Read the man page carefully: "rsnapshot sync When sync_first is enabled, rsnapshot must first be called with the sync argument, followed by the other usual cron entries. The sync should happen as the lowest, most frequent interval, and right before. For example: 0 */4 * * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot sync && /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly 50 23 * * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily 40 23 1,8,15,22 * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot weekly 30 23 1 * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot monthly The sync operation simply runs rsync and all backup scripts. In this scenario, all interval calls simply rotate directories, even the lowest interval." The package maintainer f****d this one up, but rsnapshot is innocent ;) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.