[Bug 247750] New: Include NTFS-3G 1.0 (RW driver for NTFS)
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 Summary: Include NTFS-3G 1.0 (RW driver for NTFS) Product: openSUSE 10.3 Version: Alpha 1 Platform: All OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Enhancement Priority: P5 - None Component: Other AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: silviu_marin-caea@otpbank.ro QAContact: qa@suse.de http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ This is considered stable now (1.0). It would allow RW access to Windows NTFS volumes. I see this as an important functionality. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 mhorvath@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team- |kernel-maintainers@forge.provo.novell.com |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 gregkh@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX ------- Comment #1 from gregkh@novell.com 2007-02-23 09:29 MST ------- Then please push the developers to get their code upstream into the main kernel tree, which will enable us to get this automatically. Otherwise, we will not be adding this to our kernel. Or you can create a KMP for this and add it to the build system yourself. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 andreas.hanke@gmx-topmail.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX | ------- Comment #2 from andreas.hanke@gmx-topmail.de 2007-02-23 09:31 MST ------- ntfs-3g is not a kernel driver, so this cannot be a kernel enhancement. It is a user-space driver based on FUSE. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 andreas.hanke@gmx-topmail.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|kernel- |bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |maintainers@forge.provo.nove| |ll.com | Status|REOPENED |NEW -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 mhorvath@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team- |aj@novell.com |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #3 from andreas.hanke@gmx-topmail.de 2007-02-23 10:22 MST ------- I have built a package, available at http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/andreas_hanke -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 aj@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 andreas.hanke@gmx-topmail.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |timmi@gmx-topmail.de ------- Comment #5 from andreas.hanke@gmx-topmail.de 2007-03-22 15:05 MST ------- *** Bug 256835 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #6 from al4321@gmail.com 2007-03-23 09:17 MST ------- This functionality is *extremely* important nowadays, when hard disks get huge, up to 1 TB, and I have to exchange data between Windows and Linux on my PC. FAT32 doesn't scale to my demands, while the new NTFS-3G driver does ! This is not a kernel driver, so it cannot be included with the kernel. But I want FULL integration between this driver and openSUSE 10.3, this includes: a) inclusion of NTFS-3G in the standard openSUSE DVD. b) Yast should be able to mount NTFS partitions, in RW mode by using the new driver, during openSUSE installation. Yast should be fully aware of this new (userland) driver. Today, Yast mounts Windows NTFS partition during openSUSE setup, but in RO mode, because it uses the old NTFS (kernel) driver. Full integration is the key ! -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #7 from mrueckert@novell.com 2007-03-23 09:27 MST ------- http://software.opensuse.org/downloads/filesystems/ is the new url. and i would still vote for RO mounting by default. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #8 from jw@novell.com 2007-03-23 09:31 MST ------- How is our current situation wrt resizing an NTFS partition to make room for linux? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #9 from al4321@gmail.com 2007-03-23 09:35 MST ------- OK, I agree with Marcus, about default mounting with RO mode, but using the new driver, so switching to RW will be easy, OK? on openSUSE 10.2, it was pain in the a$$... as the FUSE included with openSUSE 10.2 didn't work with NTFS-3G, so I had to recompile the driver, resolve stupid dependencies, compile NTFS-3G manually, setting all stuff manually... When NTFS-3G will be fully integrated into Yast, it will be perfect thing ! I had no problems with RW and RO access using the new driver, it even supports NTFS compression in real-time and hardlinks !!! But I agree to play it safe-default for the next year. BTW: Should I open 2 separate bugs: one for inclusion and other for Yast ? -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #10 from jw@novell.com 2007-03-23 10:16 MST ------- We can simply reassign this bug to the yast team, as soon as AJ approves inclusion. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #11 from kailed@kailed.net 2007-03-23 13:48 MST ------- +1 for ntfs-3g and for RO/RW, RO for default but add option to yast for switching to RW in installation setup (and after installation..). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ojkastl@freenet.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ojkastl@freenet.de ------- Comment #12 from ojkastl@freenet.de 2007-03-26 09:56 MST ------- I would vote for integrating the new driver, using it by default (instead of the older one), but only mounting ro as default. Switching to RW should be possible from within yast, and should be made easy. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #13 from al4321@gmail.com 2007-04-04 10:33 MST ------- So, let's integrate this one ! What we are waiting for... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #14 from al4321@gmail.com 2007-04-14 17:01 MST ------- It's too bad that this wonderful driver wasn't included in the latest openSUSE 10.3 Alpha 3 :( :( -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #15 from ra100@atlas.cz 2007-04-16 11:17 MST ------- Yes, it would be great thing to integrate it.It would be next thing for new users how to make easy administration.:-) Too many users have got a problem with writting on ntfs. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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------- Comment #16 from silviu_marin-caea@otpbank.ro 2007-05-04 05:06 MST -------
From: Juergen Weigert
http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html Is this also something for 10.3?
was a candidate, did not see a decision. It is already in http://software.opensuse.org/download/filesystems/ -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #17 from christian.jaeger@rub.de 2007-05-05 01:54 MST ------- The revolutionary thing about the 1.0-release of ntfs-3g is that its NTFS-_write_-support is stable! Using it in read-only mode doesn't make any sense at all; we could stick with the in-kernel NTFS-support as well. Switchers from Windows desperately need NTFS-write-support; ntfs-3g delivers stable write-support, so let's have it. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #18 from aj@novell.com 2007-05-09 03:20 MST ------- So, if we include it - what should we do? Set up the system so that any NTFS partition is mounted automatically (like nowadays any DOS partition) read-write? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #19 from mboman@novell.com 2007-05-09 04:22 MST ------- My 2 cents... IF we include this driver, we need to have the auto mount AND read/write. It would be silly to include it and mount it read only. We either trust this one or we don't. If we do it in Factory then we will get reports about corrupted file system. After all, we don't guarantee anything with Factory and people who install it should be aware.... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #20 from silviu_marin-caea@otpbank.ro 2007-05-09 05:01 MST ------- I'm running Factory and I have a Windows installation I'm willing to trash... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #21 from timmi@gmx-topmail.de 2007-05-09 11:46 MST ------- I've tested it with the packages from http://software.opensuse.org/download/filesystems/ . It is working fine, but has the following problem: When you simply change your existing /etc/fstab entry (from 'ntfs' to 'ntfs-3g') and mount it _manually_, then it will work fine. But when you want to mount it automaticly (during the boot process), then all non-ASCII files and folders will be invisible. This is because the driver needs to know at mounting time the locale (see http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#locale for detailed information). Solution: Set the locale (yet by yast) in the fstab (parameter 'locale=de_DE.utf8' for example). Then the driver is working fine. However I'm not shure if this is a nice solution, as not all users will use the same locale. However this issue must be adressed before including ntfs-3g for not making a step back to the functionality of the 'ntfs' driver. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #22 from timmi@gmx-topmail.de 2007-05-09 11:47 MST ------- PS: I had tested it with 10.2, but I asume that for 10.3 alpha this will be the same... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #23 from judas_iscariote@shorewall.net 2007-05-09 14:26 MST ------- (In reply to comment #19)
My 2 cents... IF we include this driver, we need to have the auto mount AND read/write. It would be silly to include it and mount it read only.
If write is considered **safe**, then include this driver, else ,we just need to wait to mature and **not** include it into the distribution, or at least not by default.
We either trust this one or we don't.
Exactly, the native kernel ntfs driver works fine in read only mode, adding yet another driver to do the same thing will be pointless.
After all, we don't guarantee anything with Factory and people who install it should be aware....
people that uses factory more or less should know what they are doing.. ;) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #24 from al4321@gmail.com 2007-05-10 12:50 MST ------- We definitely trust this driver. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #25 from judas_iscariote@shorewall.net 2007-05-10 12:59 MST ------- (In reply to comment #24)
We definitely trust this driver.
Based in what criteria ? evidence ? this is a qiite delicated piece of functionality, most users has dual boot systems with Windows and linux, and if offered they will want to use NTFS write support, however if it does not really work as advertised this will cause **major** pain... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #26 from zajec5@gmail.com 2007-05-17 11:36 MST ------- Cristian Rod I think we all base our opinions on outself tests and this page: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/quality.html -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #27 from al4321@gmail.com 2007-05-21 12:58 MST ------- "Instlux", or "openSUSE setup from Windows" will win seriously from NTFS-3G integration, because then we could setup swap-on-NTFS. read: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=276450 It is *very* important for me to get ntfs-3g in 10.3. I don't care too much if it's used by default in RO or RW mode. In the future we could go as far as creating Instlux that will install openSUSE on NTFS entirely. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #28 from zajec5@gmail.com 2007-05-21 13:14 MST ------- Is there any serious reason why openSUSE doesn't use ntfs-3g? It's stable so...? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 jrock@fmbv.nu changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jrock@fmbv.nu ------- Comment #29 from jrock@fmbv.nu 2007-05-23 14:34 MST ------- Yes, I'd like to know too if there is any serious reason why this would not be included. I really need this, as it finally gives stable RW support. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #30 from aj@novell.com 2007-05-24 00:19 MST ------- We're planning to integrate this - I have our engineers looking at what exactly needs to be done for an automatic integration. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #31 from ra100@atlas.cz 2007-05-24 00:28 MST ------- Hello And i´d give you great tool for ntfs-3g in GUI.It will help you perhaps:-) http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1872 Mainly for new users. Redards, Rasto -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750 ------- Comment #32 from snwint@novell.com 2007-06-12 10:52 MST ------- FWIW I've added ntfs-3g support to the install & rescue systems. linuxrc uses it (but yast not) if you boot with 'use.ntfs-3g=1'. Will show up _after_ alpha5. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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Hans-Peter Holler
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--- Comment #34 from Rafał Miłecki
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--- Comment #35 from Nicolas Dalleinne
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--- Comment #36 from Andreas Jaeger
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Thomas Fehr
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--- Comment #41 from Silviu Marin-Caea
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--- Comment #42 from Stephan Kulow
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Andreas Jaeger
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--- Comment #43 from Alexey Eremenko
Should the default be read-only or read-write?
This is very good question discussed earlier. There are people who want this-or-that way. My position: The "safe" way is to make it RO by default, and easily configurable via Yast during install to convert it to RW. The "safe" way should be used for 10.3 series to make sure that integration goes slowly and we don't break things. If all goes well, For openSUSE 11.x series, we should enable NTFS-3G RW mode by default. I have not experienced corruption with NTFS-3G, and I use it pretty intensively. But one components still lacks in the Linux world: NTFS-scandisk-like utility, which can fix broken / uncleanly unmounted NTFS partitions. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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--- Comment #44 from Rasto Krupansky
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Thomas Fehr
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--- Comment #46 from Péter Kerékfy
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--- Comment #47 from Stephan Kulow
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--- Comment #48 from Péter Kerékfy
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Tim Fechtner
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