[Bug 212911] New: installation with 256MB of RAM impossible
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 Summary: installation with 256MB of RAM impossible Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: Alpha 5 Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Blocker Priority: P5 - None Component: Installation AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: seife@novell.com QAContact: jsrain@novell.com CC: aj@novell.com Installation on a 256mb machine is impossible. I tried to install current STABLE via NFS, the machine hung hard during "Creating source nfs://10.10.0.100/dist/install/stable-x86", mouse cursor stopped spinning => probably OOM. It works if i do "swapon /dev/hda1" (512MB swap partition) before X starts up from console 9 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 aj@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team- |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 locilka@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |seife@novell.com ------- Comment #1 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-17 08:25 MST ------- Is that i386 or x86_64 ... or? BTW: this might be solved by implementing enhancement https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212233 that currently saves 15 MB of the (compressed) inst-sys. The other thing is that Alpha5+ (and more) installation runs in the full-screen mode again (memory is not occupied by background images, etc.) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 ------- Comment #2 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-17 08:26 MST ------- Please, attach YaST logs (/var/log/YaST2/*) if possible. Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 ------- Comment #3 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-17 09:01 MST ------- Currently with Alpha5(myown+ -- older than Alpha5+) the entire installation takes 228 MB with 131 MB cached on i386. Just about to click [Install]. I'll check it with even less memory. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 ------- Comment #4 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-17 09:05 MST ------- The maximum after the installation started (before swapon) was: used: 244 MB free: 5 MB buffers: 58 MB cached: 79 MB -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 ------- Comment #5 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-17 09:36 MST ------- Tested with RAM 192 MB (kernel parameter mem=192M) on i386 I've tested it with primary nfs installation source and ftp add-on. 2.5 GB of software was selected, some from installation source, some from add-on. I've visited all (or nearly all) installation dialogs and changed something. `free -m` just before swapon reports (running installation): total: 186 used: 181 free: 5 shared: 0 buffers: 0 cached: 80 So, I guess, it is impossible to install it on 128 MB but I have a solution ;)... -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 ------- Comment #6 from olh@novell.com 2006-10-17 10:14 MST ------- this is about factory, not about releases. bug #209424 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 locilka@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info Provider|seife@novell.com |snwint@novell.com ------- Comment #7 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-17 10:20 MST ------- I've find out that we could almost turn-off (well, limit a lot) all YaST logging -- that would save us some memory (YaST startup scripts would need to be patched but that's not a big deal). Despite the memory savings, Installation still cannot run with 128 MB. Actually it runs but so slow that it cannot be called a "run" :) BTW: running the installation in textmode can save about 10 MB of memory. --- how to save memory --- Steffen: would it be possible to create some expert option in the inst-sys startup menu that would set these two variables? Y2MAXLOGSIZE=1 Y2MAXLOGNUM=1 --- how to save memory --- AJ: do we have some use case for the installation, please? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 ------- Comment #8 from seife@novell.com 2006-10-17 10:26 MST ------- (In reply to comment #1)
Is that i386 or x86_64 ... or?
i386, sorry.
The other thing is that Alpha5+ (and more) installation runs in the full-screen mode again (memory is not occupied by background images, etc.)
I already ran in full screen (stable of today). This has been broken for months, but now, when we are starting beta phase, it had not fixed itself, so i reported. (In reply to comment #2)
Please, attach YaST logs (/var/log/YaST2/*) if possible. Thanks.
Hard lockup, no logs. For the rest, i just installed the STABLE tree in nürnberg via NFS (because NFS usually is more memory-friendly), but i did not get anywhere because when creating the inst-source the machine hangs hard (mouse cursor clock stops). This is usually a sign of OOM deadlock. So this looks like a dup -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 ------- Comment #9 from olh@novell.com 2006-10-17 11:28 MST ------- its not a hard lockup, X gets killed and the console screen state is not restored. bug #211859 about logsize, we better have a noy2log boot option, it does mknod -m 666 c 1 3 /var/log/YaST2/y2log, safes alot of memory. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 aj@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |michl@novell.com ------- Comment #10 from aj@novell.com 2006-10-17 12:29 MST ------- ad #7: What kind of use case do you need? We publish a minimal requirement of 256 MB so that one has to work in all cases. Getting 128 MB or even less to work would be excellent but it's not mandatory. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 locilka@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info Provider|snwint@novell.com |seife@novell.com ------- Comment #11 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-18 01:26 MST ------- #8: Stefan, please, try it with another computer. I've tested RAM 150 MB (i386) [with max log size = 10kb and number of logs = 2] and YaST was killed just during partitioning. So, for me, this is still WORKSFORME (192 MB worked well). #10: Andreas: yes something like this, but it would be nice to have a use-case more detailed, e.g., RAM 256 MB i386, Installation in Qt, DVD/CD Installation, swap after partitioning - a typical installation. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 ------- Comment #12 from snwint@novell.com 2006-10-18 03:33 MST ------- If you have less than 256MB, just enable swap. With addswap=1 linuxrc even does that for you. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 seife@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|seife@novell.com | ------- Comment #13 from seife@novell.com 2006-10-18 04:42 MST ------- it works again with Alpha5plus. Probably the result of the saved 15MB of translation files. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 locilka@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME ------- Comment #14 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-18 08:27 MST ------- Hmm, I still feel that the edge of the default installation is around 155-170 MB and could be lower. Closing as WORKSFORME because it, actually, works for all of use :) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=212911 locilka@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |christophe@veber.de ------- Comment #15 from locilka@novell.com 2006-10-23 02:09 MST ------- *** Bug 212480 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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